Best ISU teams ever, hard to label anyone else the best ever until they reach those highs.
Fred had the best consistent stretch after his first season. Floyd a close second
Coach Steve Prohm at Murray State 2020 Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
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Best ISU teams ever, hard to label anyone else the best ever until they reach those highs.
Fred had the best consistent stretch after his first season. Floyd a close second
He's on a message board complaining about not knowing who the players are. Take 5 minutes and learn their names, it's really not that hard.
Or watch/listen to a game and you'll learn their names pretty fast.
The last part of your last sentence is 100% false. The Hoiberg page was turned a long time ago.
Yes, the 2000 season was the best season we've ever experienced. 2001 was a blast too, but the way it flamed out (1st rd B12, 1st rd NCAA aka most of the fun) carries a lot of weight. If we're getting into weird specifics (blowing a lead being better than never leading), the Hampton loss was/is far more embarrassing than UAB. We still have to see that coach spreading his legs every March.
I just think it's weird that you always try to minimize Hoiberg's accomplishments here. How can I guy that prides himself on using data blatantly use "a couple of times"? Seems like you have an agenda.
Way to miss the point. Hoiberg made the tournament. But so did Johnny, Floyd, Larry, and... Wayne. The loveable clown Wayne Morgan may we all call him when we need satellite dish service.
The point? Making the tournament is more the rule than the exception for successful Iowa State coaches. Even relatively unsuccessful ones (Prohm and Morgan) made the NCAA tournament on their own once.
If you want to sunshine pump the (very good!) Hoiberg era as the "best ever," then you are going to have to come up with some accomplishments that truly stand out from the rest of program history.
The Hoiberg era was excellent, probably the second-best in school history, but nothing in it compared to the heights achieved by the Fizer-Tinsley team in winning the Big 12 regular season twice and having a path to a national title to the point they probably should have been able to do it that year.
So those Big 12 title banners hanging in Hilton that Larry, Marcus, and Jamaal brought us are "just efficiency stats?" You might want to try again. I use the efficiency stats for context, but I am well aware of the discreet W/L accomplishments of teams, too, and the good Larry teams were the best there.
Somebody starts a thread saying "Prohm resurfaces/is alive" and somehow like the next three posts could be summarized as "**** that guy." Yeah, we're totally over Hoiberg leaving, totally.
The lady doth protest too much.
I minimize the Hoiberg era only in comparison to the hyperbolic "the best ever!" posts. Taking a little bit of air out of the Hoiberg legend to put his tenure where it should be -- the second-best era of Iowa State basketball, still an incredibly great time, obviously -- is not somehow unfair or unrealistic.
I am a Hoiberg fanboy. I grew up watching him play, and I have great memories of him as a player and coach. I cheered for him when he went to Chicago. I'm cheering for him at Nebraska. I was a Prohm fan until this past season made clear he was completely in over his head. I am an ISU fanboy first and foremost. Hating on Prohm has almost nothing to do with Hoiberg and everything to do with going 2-22 and losing to teams like FAMU and Milwaukee at Hilton Coliseum. So yeah, **** that guy for burying a proud program when he was gifted a massive head start.
I rarely ever hear anything about Hoiberg when talking to ISU fans I know in real life. It's been a long time. I don't know who you're talking to that you think a "significant" portion of the fanbase is a part of your Jurassic Park reference.
I would normally agree with you, but I think what makes this different is the poster was using that lack of knowledge to criticize Prohm. I think in that case Curt’s criticism is a lot more warranted
It’s almost like we’ve never had this debate before
Cool. And I agree with you both. I just think we are into ISU sports, and maybe sports in general more than this guy is/was. Have a great day!
Prohm took our money and ruined our basketball program... "but he's a good guy". Fred elevated our bball program to the highest its ever been and left a stacked team to pursue his dream job... "but he's selfish"
Yup. And we get to do it all over again when Prohm signs on next year to coach Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, or Centenary. Can't wait.
My 8th grade B team coach could've got 3 tourney bids with those rosters
Those "rumors" were made up - not true. It was Pollard's hire.
Prohm didn't "take" our money...it was his! He was offered an extension and signed it! Barring any illegal activities on his part...at that point that money was his! Look...the program tanked for sure under his watch but he didn't do anything not to earn the money that he was promised! College sports would be a lot more filthy if pay was based purely on performance or wins by a coaching staff!
I've heard both, back and forth, for years, and I still don't know either way. CW & Blum should do a podcast sometime, "ISU Myths" or "ISU Mythbusters" and that could be one of the sub-topics.
I would argue college sports are more filthy because salaries are not based on performance/wins. We just spent millions to get rid of a guy who did a ****** job and not working here anymore and spent additional millions to steal a guy from a different university.
I'd love to get a multi-year contract, be terrible at my job, and then get paid to not come back.
Send an email to Pollard if it bothers you that much.
That is up to the market conditions! I remember reading a comment of Charles Barkley in reference to a huge contract extension that Shawn Kemp had signed in the NBA and then largely failed to live up to the expectations/dollars in the contract. He basically advised Shawn Kemp not to worry about it because a contract extension is offered/paid to a person for what they already achieved! And to some extent that is correct. Money already earned or it wouldn't be offered. However, in the case of Prohm, he was offered an extension, signed it and STILL tried to build a winning program in Ames. It obviously didn't work out but it had nothing to do with Prohm failing to live up to the expectations of his contract.
