BIG XIII payout this summer

[MuskieCy]

Sorry for the new thread,....I couldn't find an old one to resurrect.

Yormark: Big 12 'relevant,' to share record $470M

Big 12 schools will share in a record $470 million of revenue distribution, the conference announced Friday when wrapping up its first spring meetings as a 14-team league and before growing by two more teams.

www.espn.com

 

[ClonerJams]

Based on the thread title I'm going to assume Utah has been kicked out.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Based on the thread title I'm going to assume Utah has been kicked out.

Technically there would need to be three casualties to bring it back down to 13.

It is a fun history thinking through how we ended up here.

old Big Eight (Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)
old Southwest refugees (Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech)
8 + 4 = 12

Colorado bails for the PAC
Nebraska downgrades to the Big Ten
12 - 2 = 10

Texas A&M leaves and is more-or-less immediately replaced by TCU
Missouri leaves about the same time and is more-or-less immediately replaced by WVU
10 - 2 + 2 = 10

Texas and Oklahoma stab us in the back
call up the four best G5 programs to replace them (BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF)
10 + 4 = 14

Texas and Oklahoma actually depart
PAC falls apart
Big Ten raids the PAC for Southern Cal and UCLA and later Oregon and Washington
scoop up Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah from the remnants
ACC desperately takes Cal and Stanford... poor Oregon State and Washington State
14 -2 + 4 = 16

So we've arrived at the current Big 12 of 16.

This map is not what I would have predicted during the initial Big 12 Missile Crisis...

 

[Cyclad]

Sorry for the new thread,....I couldn't find an old one to resurrect.

Yormark: Big 12 'relevant,' to share record $470M

Big 12 schools will share in a record $470 million of revenue distribution, the conference announced Friday when wrapping up its first spring meetings as a 14-team league and before growing by two more teams.

www.espn.com

Depressing
Last of the P5 conferences - by quite a bit.
Competing will only get harder.

I do like out new league, but like many, I hate what realignment has done to college sports.

I am a grumpy old man - things have not gotten better over time. The pursuit of $ has killed much of what was good. As players move to employees, I expect academic requirements to be diluted. Why go to class, or risk eligibility for your sport - which could cost you money?

 

[Cycsk]

old Big Eight (Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)

Always appreciate your ability to pull the numbers together and tell a story with data.

P.S. In a rare moment of missing a detail, you didn't include Missouri in the list of the old Big 8.

 

[ESciGuy]

Depressing
Last of the P5 conferences - by quite a bit.
Competing will only get harder.

I do like out new league, but like many, I hate what realignment has done to college sports.

I am a grumpy old man - things have not gotten better over time. The pursuit of $ has killed much of what was good. As players move to employees, I expect academic requirements to be diluted. Why go to class, or risk eligibility for your sport - which could cost you money?

Not per school. For 2022-23, we averaged more per school than the ACC and PAC 12.

 

[BCClone]

Not per school. For 2022-23, we averaged more per school than the ACC and PAC 12.

We also added schools for the one time hit (although at a partial rate) for the last year. Survival and hanging with the ACC is the first priority.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

We generated less revenue in 2022-23 than the dying Pac 12 and allegedly dying ACC. How the hell did we survive this wave of realignment?

 

[RustShack]

We generated less revenue in 2022-23 than the dying Pac 12 and allegedly dying ACC. How the hell did we survive this wave of realignment?

Because the Big12 signed its next contract and the PAC didn’t.

 

[WISCY1895]

Depressing
Last of the P5 conferences - by quite a bit.
Competing will only get harder.

I do like out new league, but like many, I hate what realignment has done to college sports.

I am a grumpy old man - things have not gotten better over time. The pursuit of $ has killed much of what was good. As players move to employees, I expect academic requirements to be diluted. Why go to class, or risk eligibility for your sport - which could cost you money?

This is not correct. We are not the least payout per program. The ACC and PAC 12 were both lower. You have to remember the new 4 programs didn’t receive a full payout.

 

[motorcy90]

Technically there would need to be three casualties to bring it back down to 13.

It is a fun history thinking through how we ended up here.

old Big Eight (Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)
old Southwest refugees (Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech)
8 + 4 = 12

Colorado bails for the PAC
Nebraska downgrades to the Big Ten
12 - 2 = 10

Texas A&M leaves and is more-or-less immediately replaced by TCU
Missouri leaves about the same time and is more-or-less immediately replaced by WVU
10 - 2 + 2 = 10

Texas and Oklahoma stab us in the back
call up the four best G5 programs to replace them (BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF)
10 + 4 = 14

Texas and Oklahoma actually depart
PAC falls apart
Big Ten raids the PAC for Southern Cal and UCLA and later Oregon and Washington
scoop up Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah from the remnants
ACC desperately takes Cal and Stanford... poor Oregon State and Washington State
14 -2 + 4 = 16

So we've arrived at the current Big 12 of 16.

This map is not what I would have predicted during the initial Big 12 Missile Crisis...

View attachment 129732

Now to raid the ACC and add a few more to the east in a few years.

 

[StClone]

Technically there would need to be three casualties to bring it back down to 13.

It is a fun history thinking through how we ended up here.

old Big Eight (Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)
old Southwest refugees (Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech)
8 + 4 = 12

Colorado bails for the PAC
Nebraska downgrades to the Big Ten
12 - 2 = 10

Texas A&M leaves and is more-or-less immediately replaced by TCU
Missouri leaves about the same time and is more-or-less immediately replaced by WVU
10 - 2 + 2 = 10

Texas and Oklahoma stab us in the back
call up the four best G5 programs to replace them (BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF)
10 + 4 = 14

Texas and Oklahoma actually depart
PAC falls apart
Big Ten raids the PAC for Southern Cal and UCLA and later Oregon and Washington
scoop up Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah from the remnants
ACC desperately takes Cal and Stanford... poor Oregon State and Washington State
14 -2 + 4 = 16

So we've arrived at the current Big 12 of 16.

This map is not what I would have predicted during the initial Big 12 Missile Crisis...

View attachment 129732

SEC is a flyover wasteland.

 

[StClone]

Sorry for the new thread,....I couldn't find an old one to resurrect.

Yormark: Big 12 'relevant,' to share record $470M

Big 12 schools will share in a record $470 million of revenue distribution, the conference announced Friday when wrapping up its first spring meetings as a 14-team league and before growing by two more teams.

www.espn.com

To change the title from XIII to XII just hit "edit." Asking for a friend.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

We generated less revenue in 2022-23 than the dying Pac 12 and allegedly dying ACC. How the hell did we survive this wave of realignment?

Look at revenue per school, not the total. Media never reports revenue per school, just totals. Today's journalists write what they to impress, not truth.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Also, nobody ever writes about debt per each school's athletic department. For a true comparison, take Iowa as a comparison, you would have to take their conference revenue less all p&I payments to get to the free cash flow to run an athletic program. Take Iowa State’s revenue less our P&I payments then u can start to compare what is really going on. Don't fall into the trap of seeing total conference revenue numbers as is it misleading on purpose.

 

[Bader]

Look at revenue per school, not the total. Media never reports revenue per school, just totals. Today's journalists write what they to impress, not truth.

How is total revenue the conference generated not true? Wanting to frame it as per school is how you want to spin the “truth”, no?

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

How is total revenue the conference generated not true? Wanting to frame it as per school is how you want to spin the “truth”, no?

That's not what I said. The total revenue per conference is not an accurate measure of what the revenue is for each school. Revenue per School is what should be evaluated. Furthermore, Revenue per School less required annual principal and interest payments gives you a net cash flow per School to run an athletic department. That is a real number to see who is healthy and who is not. Not Revenue per conference.

 

[heitclone]

We generated less revenue in 2022-23 than the dying Pac 12 and allegedly dying ACC. How the hell did we survive this wave of realignment?

BC the PAC's secret to their entire history was where they existed and what time they played. The monopoly they had on the late night TV spots had nothing to do with an on the field product. They got the eyeballs they got because they didn't have to directly compete with the other 4 p5 leagues. We were battling the other 3 head to head.

Yormark signing a deal early was huge but not just for timing, it allowed him to offer up the Big 12 for some of those later starts. Head to head the deals the Big 12 and PAC were going to get were probably very similar but with the Big 12, you pay the same price and get kickoffs from 11am EST to 10pm EST, it's an extra window. That left less time slots for the networks to need to fill with the PAC. The B1G SoCal raid also took away slots that would have shown PAC games.

 

[Cyched]

Technically there would need to be three casualties to bring it back down to 13.

It is a fun history thinking through how we ended up here.

old Big Eight (Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)
old Southwest refugees (Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech)
8 + 4 = 12

Colorado bails for the PAC
Nebraska downgrades to the Big Ten
12 - 2 = 10

Texas A&M leaves and is more-or-less immediately replaced by TCU
Missouri leaves about the same time and is more-or-less immediately replaced by WVU
10 - 2 + 2 = 10

Texas and Oklahoma stab us in the back
call up the four best G5 programs to replace them (BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF)
10 + 4 = 14

Texas and Oklahoma actually depart
PAC falls apart
Big Ten raids the PAC for Southern Cal and UCLA and later Oregon and Washington
scoop up Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah from the remnants
ACC desperately takes Cal and Stanford... poor Oregon State and Washington State
14 -2 + 4 = 16

So we've arrived at the current Big 12 of 16.

This map is not what I would have predicted during the initial Big 12 Missile Crisis...

View attachment 129732

Also worth noting for the Pac remnants, it was Colorado who once again made the first move after GK went Michael Scott's Big Surprise with the TV deal.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Look at revenue per school, not the total. Media never reports revenue per school, just totals. Today's journalists write what they to impress, not truth.

Show me one journalist that has underwritten and understands net revenue per school after debt service. I hope there is one, but I will be surprised if it exists. The media wants to present that the big 12 is in last place.