Hence the words NO LONGER, as in MOVING FORWARD.
When have we had a chance to play the "get by with lesser parts" card since the season ended? Ridiculous.
Hence the words NO LONGER, as in MOVING FORWARD.
When have we had a chance to play the "get by with lesser parts" card since the season ended? Ridiculous.
Non-trollcoach thread turned into trollcoach jockeying for some trolling 8 months in advance.
This board has been non-stop roster-bating anyway.
I think he's confusing our football and basketball talk on this board. I've thought we were one of the more talented teams the last three years in a row, certainly top 20 or top 30 talented. We may not have got that way by landing 5 stars out of high school but the talent is there and ISU fans are more aware of it than anybody.
Side note....why is there no hoops forum on ISU's other message board on Rivals?
Diante Garrett, Royce White, Chris Allen, Korie Lucious....Fred has had 4/5 * guys since he got on campus. Ain't nothing changed but the time. For 3 years now ISU has had the talent to beat anyone, last season was special but what if Royce and Co don't run into Kentucky....or what if they call a foul on Aaron Craft? Those 2 teams were sweet 16 caliber if you ask me.
ISU is still obviously an under-dog to the Kentucky's and Kansas' out there. All we need to do is beat them consistently and that changes. I think we are 'there' now. We are loaded. Time to start walking the walk.
Only 12 schools in the nation with more high ranked recruits and ISU fans still play the "underdog that has to get by with lesser parts" card? Sweet Sixteens should no longer be looked at as an amazing overachievement. Welcome to the world of EXPECTATIONS.
According to this list, I see ISU being on par with schools 8-28. Schools ranked 1-7 do have much higher rated talent. So the argument of trying to do more with less only makes any sense against those schools.
But I agree that Sweet 16's are the expectation now.
But like someone else mentioned, counting all 4 and 5*'s as equal is ridiculous. More valid would be to have tiers of 1) the top five 5*'s 2) kids ranked ~6-35, and 3) the rest of the 4*'s. It seems like there's often a clear top few kids, then the lower 5*'s and upper 4*s seem pretty close.
And I'll still argue that I'd rather have the third/fourth year of a kid ranked 35-75 than the first (and only) year of a kid ranked 1-10. Once the third/fourth year kid is done then there should be another third/fourth year guy who has been in the system for the last 2-3 years ready to step in. Just not a big fan of the college impact of OAD prospects so far. It's cool that my daughter got to meet Wiggins and Embiid and get her picture taken before they develop into big NBA stars but their net college impact was underwhelming. Maybe if they were added to a team with several 3/4 year guys it would have been different, who knows...
And I'll still argue that I'd rather have the third/fourth year of a kid ranked 35-75 than the first (and only) year of a kid ranked 1-10. Once the third/fourth year kid is done then there should be another third/fourth year guy who has been in the system for the last 2-3 years ready to step in. Just not a big fan of the college impact of OAD prospects so far. It's cool that my daughter got to meet Wiggins and Embiid and get her picture taken before they develop into big NBA stars but their net college impact was underwhelming. Maybe if they were added to a team with several 3/4 year guys it would have been different, who knows...
So you would rather having Connaughton and Cooney than a guy like Wiggins? As good as those two guys are, Wiggins is MUCH better as a freshman than those guys who are going into their senior year. I have to call you dumb on this. The top ten or so prospects are freaks that are rare and years above the next tier of guys.And I'll still argue that I'd rather have the third/fourth year of a kid ranked 35-75 than the first (and only) year of a kid ranked 1-10. Once the third/fourth year kid is done then there should be another third/fourth year guy who has been in the system for the last 2-3 years ready to step in. Just not a big fan of the college impact of OAD prospects so far. It's cool that my daughter got to meet Wiggins and Embiid and get her picture taken before they develop into big NBA stars but their net college impact was underwhelming. Maybe if they were added to a team with several 3/4 year guys it would have been different, who knows...
I don't think the formula changes even with the success we have had over the past couple years. Getting a 5 star recruit to play for the Clones MIGHT happen- but alot of things need to happen:
- We need to have been in on the kid early
- The kid probably needs to be a late bloomer
- He needs to be from Iowa or the upper Midwest- so a big draw of coming to Ames is so that family can see him play.
Fred's success is going to be built on 4 star recruits that we get in on early and continue to improve once they hit campus. Enough to develop into All Big 12 players. Bring in JUCO's to fill the gaps and look for transfers that fit our system and provide immediate help.
Were Connaughton and Cooney guys ranked in the 35-75 range? Nope. I don't even see anyone named Cooney in the Top 150 of any recent rivals recruiting rankings. Maybe I'll bump the top end up to about #20 but that's about it. Thomas Robinson, Perry Ellis, the Morris twins, Cole Aldrich, Elijah Johnson, Travis Releford and Sherron Collins were all in the 20-75 range. Tyshawn Taylor was #77. I am sure the list is longer but I have to go to a meeting...So you would rather having Connaughton and Cooney than a guy like Wiggins? As good as those two guys are, Wiggins is MUCH better as a freshman than those guys who are going into their senior year. I have to call you dumb on this. The top ten or so prospects are freaks that are rare and years above the next tier of guys.