Cyclone Fanatic Movie Villain Championship

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Voting is open for the Cyclone Fanatic Movie Villain Championship


How to vote:
To select the favorite (the show seeded highest), choose the Heart emoji.
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Deadline to vote: Now through Saturday at 10 PM
 

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Vader running away with this whole tournament was a given, IMO. He's the quintessential movie villain.

And I think Heath's Joker was a damn near lock for second as soon as he ended up on the other side of the bracket.

So, in my mind, this was always going to be about who comes in third. Let's find out!

3. Dr. Hannibal Lecter (The Silence of the Lambs) (Heart emoji)
3. Biff Tannen (Back to the Future) (Rainbow emoji)
 

Cy4All

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Vader running away with this whole tournament was a given, IMO. He's the quintessential movie villain.

And I think Heath's Joker was a damn near lock for second as soon as he ended up on the other side of the bracket.

So, in my mind, this was always going to be about who comes in third. Let's find out!

3. Dr. Hannibal Lecter (The Silence of the Lambs) (Heart emoji)
3. Biff Tannen (Back to the Future) (Rainbow emoji)
To me Emperor Palpatine is more of a villain than Vader. Vader is a good guy twisted into evil by Palpatine. He even reconciled his evil ways in the end and brought the reign of terror to a halt.

Palpatine on the other hand took an entire galaxy that was thriving and drove it into regression, recession, oppression, whatever you want to call it. Twisted the "chosen one" into an evil pawn. And enslaved many races to achieve his own will and desires.

Vader may have had more screen time and been more menacing but Palpatine was the true villain behind the enforcer.
 

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Vader running away with this whole tournament was a given, IMO. He's the quintessential movie villain.

And I think Heath's Joker was a damn near lock for second as soon as he ended up on the other side of the bracket.

So, in my mind, this was always going to be about who comes in third. Let's find out!

3. Dr. Hannibal Lecter (The Silence of the Lambs) (Heart emoji)
3. Biff Tannen (Back to the Future) (Rainbow emoji)
That one is tied at 11. Kinda thought Hannibal would run away with it.
 

enisthemenace

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To me Emperor Palpatine is more of a villain than Vader. Vader is a good guy twisted into evil by Palpatine. He even reconciled his evil ways in the end and brought the reign of terror to a halt.

Palpatine on the other hand took an entire galaxy that was thriving and drove it into regression, recession, oppression, whatever you want to call it. Twisted the "chosen one" into an evil pawn. And enslaved many races to achieve his own will and desires.

Vader may have had more screen time and been more menacing but Palpatine was the true villain behind the enforcer.
Vader was never “a good guy”. You’re thinking of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin ceased to exist when he embraced the dark side. At that moment, he became Vader, and Vader was ******* brutal. He slaughtered the entire Jedi temple, including all of the children there. He hunted down every Jedi that was not at the temple and killed them all, with the exception of a very, very few.

Palpatine was for sure evil, but I just don’t think you can say Vader was ever “good”. One can argue he wasn’t even “good” at the end of Jedi. He was just fulfilling his destiny at that point. Sith apprentices either supplant/kill their masters, or die trying. Vader did both.
 

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Vader was never “a good guy”. You’re thinking of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin ceased to exist when he embraced the dark side. At that moment, he became Vader, and Vader was ******* brutal. He slaughtered the entire Jedi temple, including all of the children there. He hunted down every Jedi that was not at the temple and killed them all, with the exception of a very, very few.

Palpatine was for sure evil, but I just don’t think you can say Vader was ever “good”. One can argue he wasn’t even “good” at the end of Jedi. He was just fulfilling his destiny at that point. Sith apprentices either supplant/kill their masters, or die trying. Vader did both.
If you want to argue semantics I guess we can. Vader is still Anakin and Anakin is Vader. They are the same person. Just because Obi Wan choose to see him as not the same or a different being doesn't mean they are. Is Chris Gaines Garth Brooks or are they different people? Are Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana different people? How about David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust, Eminem/Slim Shady/Marshall Mathers, Clark Kent/Superman, Tyler Durden/The Narrator in Fight Club? The list goes on and on. If Slim Shady shoots and kills someone guess what Marshall Mathers is going to court. A different name doesn't change the person.

The fact stands that he was a good guy named Anakin Skywalker, was twisted into evil by Palpatine, and renamed Darth Vader.

As for the end of Jedi I would argue that it clearly shows Vader watching Luke being shocked to death by the emperor. Contemplating if he should get involved. Ultimately make the decision to kill Palpatine to save his son, not to take the power of Palpatine. This is reinforced by him asking Luke to take the mask off so he can look upon him with his own eyes.
 

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To me Emperor Palpatine is more of a villain than Vader. Vader is a good guy twisted into evil by Palpatine. He even reconciled his evil ways in the end and brought the reign of terror to a halt.

Palpatine on the other hand took an entire galaxy that was thriving and drove it into regression, recession, oppression, whatever you want to call it. Twisted the "chosen one" into an evil pawn. And enslaved many races to achieve his own will and desires.

Vader may have had more screen time and been more menacing but Palpatine was the true villain behind the enforcer.

TLDR warning...

You could argue that Palpatine and Buffalo Bill are the pure villain in both movies.

The asylum warden in Silence of the Lambs is a pretty incredible nasty villain and Lecter actually takes him out while promising he'd never harm the hero of the movie. Not saying I like Lecter but he's clearly a little more complex than Buffalo Bill and wouldn't want to destroy an entire planet, he's also a naturalist, the opposite of blowing up Alderaan.

I think the most STUPID take that a lot of people have is that Return of the Jedi is the worst of the original trilogy because it's not dark and it's for kids with the Ewoks. That is 100% awful and nonsensical. Return of the Jedi is by far the darkest movie in the original trilogy:

1. The Emperor is terrifying, pure evil, and it's the only movie he's in a lot in the original trilogy. Just the fact of how he controls Vader like a pet is scary, then his look and voice and the force lightning...
2. Luke handing himself over to these two villains willingly is a terrifying moment of risk.
3. Yoda dies.
4. Yeah the Ewoks are cute but a bunch of them get gunned down to death by laser blasters. It's like a movie that features killing 80 puppies. How is that cute and not dark?
5. Han is kept as a prisoner in a block of metal.
6. Leia is held as basically a sex slave until she kills her sex trafficker.
7. Tons of massive rebel ships in the armada space fight get destroyed.
8. Jabba executes another of his sex slaves to a gigantic Rancor monster and they all laugh while it eats her.
9. He tries to do the same thing to Luke unsuccessfully.
10. Vader's death isn't necessarily a hero dying but it's still very emotionally complex and not at all "cute kids movie".

I could really keep go on, it's the absolute most dumb movie take that for some reason a majority of people hold onto. The original script had Lando and the Falcon being blown up. For whatever reason people seem to want to hate the third movie in any trilogy. For years people thought the third Indy movie was the worst one or even hated it, then over time most realized it's either the best or tied with the original.
 
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If you want to argue semantics I guess we can. Vader is still Anakin and Anakin is Vader. They are the same person. Just because Obi Wan choose to see him as not the same or a different being doesn't mean they are. Is Chris Gaines Garth Brooks or are they different people? Are Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana different people? How about David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust, Eminem/Slim Shady/Marshall Mathers, Clark Kent/Superman, Tyler Durden/The Narrator in Fight Club? The list goes on and on. If Slim Shady shoots and kills someone guess what Marshall Mathers is going to court. A different name doesn't change the person.

The fact stands that he was a good guy named Anakin Skywalker, was twisted into evil by Palpatine, and renamed Darth Vader.

As for the end of Jedi I would argue that it clearly shows Vader watching Luke being shocked to death by the emperor. Contemplating if he should get involved. Ultimately make the decision to kill Palpatine to save his son, not to take the power of Palpatine. This is reinforced by him asking Luke to take the mask off so he can look upon him with his own eyes.

“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”
 
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enisthemenace

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If you want to argue semantics I guess we can. Vader is still Anakin and Anakin is Vader. They are the same person. Just because Obi Wan choose to see him as not the same or a different being doesn't mean they are. Is Chris Gaines Garth Brooks or are they different people? Are Miley Cyrus and Hannah Montana different people? How about David Bowie/Ziggy Stardust, Eminem/Slim Shady/Marshall Mathers, Clark Kent/Superman, Tyler Durden/The Narrator in Fight Club? The list goes on and on. If Slim Shady shoots and kills someone guess what Marshall Mathers is going to court. A different name doesn't change the person.

The fact stands that he was a good guy named Anakin Skywalker, was twisted into evil by Palpatine, and renamed Darth Vader.

As for the end of Jedi I would argue that it clearly shows Vader watching Luke being shocked to death by the emperor. Contemplating if he should get involved. Ultimately make the decision to kill Palpatine to save his son, not to take the power of Palpatine. This is reinforced by him asking Luke to take the mask off so he can look upon him with his own eyes.
Maybe Vader was contemplating getting involved “to save his son”, but consider Sith/Star Wars canon for a second.

Not long before Luke was being zapped by Palpatine was Vader explaining to Luke that he could destroy the Emperor and they could rule the Galaxy together. “He has foreseen it”. That was the discussion when Luke turned himself over on Endor. The same discussion, though not as heated, they had on the bridge in Empire.

Every Sith Master has an apprentice. It’s the Rule of Two. Vader saw that his intended apprentice was going to die, and he’d have to start all over to find another one if he allowed Palpatine to kill him. That’s why he intervened.
 

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Maybe Vader was contemplating getting involved “to save his son”, but consider Sith/Star Wars canon for a second.

Not long before Luke was being zapped by Palpatine was Vader explaining to Luke that he could destroy the Emperor and they could rule the Galaxy together. “He has foreseen it”. That was the discussion when Luke turned himself over on Endor. The same discussion, though not as heated, they had on the bridge in Empire.

Every Sith Master has an apprentice. It’s the Rule of Two. Vader saw that his intended apprentice was going to die, and he’d have to start all over to find another one if he allowed Palpatine to kill him. That’s why he intervened.
You make a good point, at face value. However Vader had already planned on a backup apprentice in Leia. So saving Luke to be his apprentice is a flimsy point at best. Brings me back to he saves Luke for his love of his family (a good guy quality).
 

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You make a good point, at face value. However Vader had already planned on a backup apprentice in Leia. So saving Luke to be his apprentice is a flimsy point at best. Brings me back to he saves Luke for his love of his family (a good guy quality).
He knew what a handful Luke was. Do you really believe he wanted to start that again with Leia? She would have been impossible to turn. Even Luke admitted she was stronger than him.

He baited Luke there to bring out his deepest/darkest feelings. One step closer to the dark side. Palpatine saw this and even offered Luke a the position at his side in favor of Vader.

Vader did struggle with a decision at the end. But that decision was “do I want to be master and have Luke as my apprentice, or do I let Palpatine kill Luke and continue to be his apprentice?”

It would certainly match his character better. He was defiant of his apprentices and thought he was better than them on more than a few occasions while training to be a Jedi.

Everything Anakin/Vader did was self-serving.
 

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He knew what a handful Luke was. Do you really believe he wanted to start that again with Leia? She would have been impossible to turn. Even Luke admitted she was stronger than him.

He baited Luke there to bring out his deepest/darkest feelings. One step closer to the dark side. Palpatine saw this and even offered Luke a the position at his side in favor of Vader.

Vader did struggle with a decision at the end. But that decision was “do I want to be master and have Luke as my apprentice, or do I let Palpatine kill Luke and continue to be his apprentice?”

It would certainly match his character better. He was defiant of his apprentices and thought he was better than them on more than a few occasions while training to be a Jedi.

Everything Anakin/Vader did was self-serving.
Whoa…. what?

I’m far from a Star Wars enthusiast, but that is very far from my read on that scene. I thought it was clear as day. Vader saw his son being tortured, and overcame the lure of the Dark Side to kill the emperor and save Luke to complete his redemption arc.

The villain sacrificing himself/herself to become good is a common transformation in storytelling. If Vader had ill intentions still, why include the final scene when Luke sees Anakin, Yoda, and Obi Wan’s ghosts standing together laughing. It ends Anakin’s story in a positive note, and ties up the trilogy in a happy bow.