Every segment of a well oiled machine has kicked in with essentially the same line up after a quiet winter. Did change coaches thou and that may be the difference. Contreras has come out of his slump and is a surprise defensively at 1st after replacing a very good Goldy. I’m eating crow on his play at 1st, turns out he is better there than behind the plate. They are giving Walker a lot of rope and he is greatly improved in right field but Gorman can’t find a groove. Which is going to give the GM second thoughts about trading Arenado. Closing in on 1/3 thru the season.
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How about the resilience from this team? Last year they never win a game like this. They cough up a 4-1 lead with their top relievers in the game. Walker makes his first awful play in right field this season that I can remember giving up the tying run. Then he comes back up again the next half inning and delivers a two out single for the lead.
Yes a completely different team than the last 2 seasons. Having fun. Building confidence in young players.
Yeah I don’t wanna hear the narrative that the cardinals are only beating cream puff teams. They’re 18-14 against team >.500. They’re 19-8 at home and after the terrible road start, have been good there. The team will be in it but the Cubs are gonna be pushing all there chips in at the trade deadline where I doubt the cardinals add much
The Cards are playing a lot better than I expected after the past couple of years. Starting pitching has been very good and the defense has been outstanding. They are getting hits this season with runners in scoring position that they have not been getting the past couple of years.
It's a long season, but for the month of May they have shown that they are capable of playing good ball. Hell, Walker even had a couple of nice hits to knock in some runs this past week. One more in Baltimore and off to Dallas.
I know we have a way's to go yet, but if things continue as is, this is going to be a very interesting trade deadline for St. Louis. I can't see a scenerio where they'll be buyers, but will they still sell? That was the plan for some of the talent they had (namely, Ryan Helsley). Kind of puts the front office in a weird position.
Truthfully, I would move Helsley for a couple of high quality prospects if the offer was there, at the deadline. This year has always been a transition year for the team, and even though they are playing better than expected, this is not a WS caliber winning team. If they can make a killing by moving our closer I would do it for what it does for us down the line.
I would not trade anyone now, least of all Helsley, absent some significant injury. Right now we don't really have any holes. We are hanging with the big dogs. I hate the concept that we are "in transition." Sports media bs.The team should be playing to win. They are. Trading some of your best assets would be telling them we're not serious about winning.
No one is saying trade anyone now, but the trading deadline is over 2 months away, end of July. A lot can happen between now and then. Put me into the group that would rather have a solid team going forward than get into the playoffs this season, and lose and be finished.
The team is playing well, but this is not a WS caliber team, we will be lucky if they are good enough to get into the playoffs. If by moving Helsley, they can position themselves to be a WS caliber team in 2026 and beyond, I would move him for the right package of players. I am not in favor of just giving him away, we would have to get quality players in return, that could help us in the next couple of seasons.
I run into this idea sometimes on the wrestling forum, i.e., the only thing that matters is how the team scores at nationals--similar to your call to have a world series caliber team or sell. I don't buy it. Why do we play the games if only the prospect of a world series caliber team matters? And how do we know we have such a team? Let ESPN pick them ahead of time? What do we tell Pirates fans or any of the other teams that are ostensibly re-tooling every year? Go home cause baseball's not for you? While we're at it, let's erase some baseball history. The '64 Cardinals, the '69 Mets, the '07 Rockies--off the top of my head--they should have known better than to think they could go to the Series.
As I said before, the trade deadline is over 2 months away, if we are in this position then, maybe, go for it. But if not, trade and try to get better for the future. Pirates and other teams know the score of what is going on, they have little to no chance of winning that season. They go to see the young player develop and hope that they can catch lightening in a bottle like the Royals did a few years ago and win before the team has to be broken down again because they cannot afford to pay them. No it's not fair, if it was, MLB would act more like the NFL and throw all the TV revenue into a large pot and give it out equally to each team. But we both know that is never going to happen.
Again, the team just doesn’t quit. This is the Cardinals teams of past that do all the small things really well. They aren’t gonna mash home runs but they hit a crap ton of doubles. Get runners into scoring positions constantly. Situational hitting has been really good as well. I don’t know how many times it’s been but if they get down 2-3 runs early I’m really confident they’ll come back
After the losing of the past few seasons, I’m enjoying the fresh air this young group of Cards have brought. At the 1/3 mark they are in the hunt, the question always is “will the starting pitching hold up”? I suspect it will not. So far the starters have kept the game within reach and the pen wins the game after the lineup comes back to win. The strength of the starters has been to go 6 while keeping it close and saving the pen from over use. Fedde, Pallante & Mikolas are average at best and I don’t think they can sustain their production over the season. We do not have a stud starter that can go out consistently and shut down good teams every five days. If they decide to trade Hensley, I’d package him with Gorman or Contrarous to get a good starter.
Going to be hard to move Conteras as he has a full no trade clause for 25 and 26, and then a ten team clause for 2027 and 2028. We are stuck with him for at least through next season, unless we can convince him it would be good for him to move. Gorman is not going to get you a lot of return either, but it would be interesting to see what he would produce if you threw him out there as a starter every day.
Id like us to still try to trade Fedde at the deadline even if we’re in contention. He’s just not very effective consistently. Doesn’t get strikeouts, walks a lot. He’s lucky he has the best defense in baseball behind him. McGreevy is cooking at triple A and is just being blocked. But depth is a major issue right now for starting pitchers. If Quinn Matthews stays healthy I think they trade him but if not then you really only have McGreevy ready to come up
Mikolas and Fedde make me physically ill to watch them. I get why they kept them around at the beginning of the season because of depth concerns. But now that the team is contending for a wild card they can’t continue to throw them out there. And I generally think Marmol does a good job but having Mikolas and Fedde start 3 out of the 7 games against the Cubs and Gray not getting a single start is idiotic
They need to bite the bullet and DFA of Mikolas and either trade or do the same to Fedde. Fedde comes off the books at the end of the year, move him now, and Mikolas was a horrible signing, just eat the money and throw out the young kids and have them learn and make mistakes now, that will pay off down the road.
Anyone that thinks this is a team capable of doing any more than eking into the wildcard round is fooling themselves, Keep playing the young player, the goal is to win in 26/27, do not lose sight of that goal.
