***2024-25 Mens College Basketball Thread***

[dahliaclone]

I think Drake is a good team. They play their butts off. But their situation is just kinda the nature of the beast.

A lotta people play the "do you wanna see Cinderalla or the big named school?"
TV eyeballs usually show us people would rather watch the big named school.

they are a good team! but reasoning they should be in based on the number of wins over absolutely crap teams just makes no sense to me at all. add three Q3 losses, two at home and no...I don't think they deserve to get in if they lose in their conference tourney.

 

[NoCreativity]

are they one of the 68 best teams?

WTH is going on in here tonight? So you don't think Drake is better than teams from the SWAC or MEAC.

It's not about and has never been about fielding the best 68 teams. That's what makes March Madness so special.

 

[JP4CY]

they are a good team! but reasoning they should be in based on the number of wins over absolutely crap teams just makes no sense to me at all. add three Q3 losses, two at home and no...I don't think they deserve to get in if they lose in their conference tourney.

Prohm'd

 

[dahliaclone]

I think Drake is a good team. They play their butts off. But their situation is just kinda the nature of the beast.

A lotta people play the "do you wanna see Cinderalla or the big named school?"
TV eyeballs usually show us people would rather watch the big named school.

and for the record, i'm not comparing Drake being in or out against teams like Oklahoma or Nebraska or TCU etc.

I am looking more at other midmajor teams.

• Drake
  • 1 Q1 win
  • 0 Q2 losses
  • 3 Q3 losses
  • o Q4 losses
  • NET 60
  • KenPom 60
• UC San Diego
  • 2 Q1 wins
  • 1 Q3 loss
  • 1 Q4 loss
  • NET 34
  • KenPom 35
• VCU
  • 1 Q1 in
  • 3 Q3 losses
  • 0 Q3 losses
  • 1 Q4 loss
  • NET 29
  • KenPom 28
• Utah State
  • 3 Q1 wins
  • 3 Q2 losses
  • 0 Q3 losses
  • 0 Q4 losses
  • NET 38
  • KenPom 56

If you think Drake gets in over any of these schools if they all lose in their respective conference tourney's I think you're wrong.

Drake has no shot at moving up substantially in the metrics...at all. So they're either going to win the title and get the auto bid or get in with a 60 NET ranking? Not happening. Just my opinion.

 

[JP4CY]

and for the record, i'm not comparing Drake being in or out against teams like Oklahoma or Nebraska or TCU etc.

I am looking more at other midmajor teams.

• Drake
  • 1 Q1 win
  • 0 Q2 losses
  • 3 Q3 losses
  • o Q4 losses
  • NET 60
  • KenPom 60
• UC San Diego
  • 2 Q1 wins
  • 1 Q3 loss
  • 1 Q4 loss
  • NET 34
  • KenPom 35
• VCU
  • 1 Q1 in
  • 3 Q3 losses
  • 0 Q3 losses
  • 1 Q4 loss
  • NET 29
  • KenPom 28
• Utah State
  • 3 Q1 wins
  • 3 Q2 losses
  • 0 Q3 losses
  • 0 Q4 losses
  • NET 38
  • KenPom 56

If you think Drake gets in over any of these schools if they all lose in their respective conference tourney's I think you're wrong.

Drake has no shot at moving up substantially in the metrics...at all. So they're either going to win the title and get the auto bid or get in with a 60 NET ranking? Not happening. Just my opinion.

Drake's opponents in that Nov tourney really tanked this year. Didn't help out their resume.

 

[dahliaclone]

WTH is going on in here tonight? So you don't think Drake is better than teams from the SWAC or MEAC.

It's not about and has never been about fielding the best 68 teams. That's what makes March Madness so special.

Wait. I thought I was blocked by this guy. Weird.

 

[MuskieCy]

This is how good ISU has been recently,....gonna run down KU!!!!

 

[GoHawks]

I would maybe agree but the three losses are three truly horrible losses. Two at home. Sure they beat Kansas state and vandy but that was months ago. Since then they’ve had three Q3 losses.

I get it but that's big portion of their schedule and I know you will say that's the point but as @1UNI2ISU has said they don't have same capabilities of even getting opportunities to play a lot of quad 1 games. Power teams want a few quad 1 games and a host of quadd 4 games in the non conference that they can win 108-72 and inflate their metrics. It's not an even playing field. Oklahoma went 2-1 against quad 3, others @NoCreativity has listed have a couple quad 3 L's with also not a lot of games in that category played. It's not crazy to think if other bubble teams played 15 quad 3s and many on the road they'd drop just as many. Only power conference teams I remember playing true road games in non conference was Rutgers losing at Kennesaw state and Alabama playing North Dakota in a back and forth game winning 97-90.

I'm not disputing the arguments posters are using against Drake but I don't think it's fair that Drakes held to a standard of going 28-2 maybe 29-1 and others in power conferences need to go something like 4-12 against quad 1 teams and that's seen as enough.

 

[NoCreativity]

and for the record, i'm not comparing Drake being in or out against teams like Oklahoma or Nebraska or TCU etc.

I am looking more at other midmajor teams.

• Drake
  • 1 Q1 win
  • 0 Q2 losses
  • 3 Q3 losses
  • o Q4 losses
  • NET 60
  • KenPom 60
• UC San Diego
  • 2 Q1 wins
  • 1 Q3 loss
  • 1 Q4 loss
  • NET 34
  • KenPom 35
• VCU
  • 1 Q1 in
  • 3 Q3 losses
  • 0 Q3 losses
  • 1 Q4 loss
  • NET 29
  • KenPom 28
• Utah State
  • 3 Q1 wins
  • 3 Q2 losses
  • 0 Q3 losses
  • 0 Q4 losses
  • NET 38
  • KenPom 56

If you think Drake gets in over any of these schools if they all lose in their respective conference tourney's I think you're wrong.

Drake has no shot at moving up substantially in the metrics...at all. So they're either going to win the title and get the auto bid or get in with a 60 NET ranking? Not happening. Just my opinion.

Myself and ESPN think differently. VCU and San Diego also have Q4 losses that nobody is talking about. San Diego's win against UC-Irvine is hanging by a thread also Drake's win at Bradley could be a Q1 very easy.

It like another poster pointed out, there's really that much difference from beating the 75th vs the 76 team.

The reason Drakes NET is lower also is they aren't running up scores like some of these other teams. Their style of play wont allow them to blowout teams often. The have the slowest tempo in college basketball, play good defense, and rebound. Their offense consists of people standing around resting for 25 seconds while Stirtz creates somtnting or kicks it out to Mascari for 3. That's how they get away with playing guys 39 minutes a game.

 

[dahliaclone]

I get it but that's big portion of their schedule and I know you will say that's the point but as @1UNI2ISU has said they don't have same capabilities of even getting opportunities to play a lot of quad 1 games. Power teams want a few quad 1 games and a host of quadd 4 games in the non conference that they can win 108-72 and inflate their metrics. It's not an even playing field. Oklahoma went 2-1 against quad 3, others @NoCreativity has listed have a couple quad 3 L's with also not a lot of games in that category played. It's not crazy to think if other bubble teams played 15 quad 3s and many on the road they'd drop just as many. Only power conference teams I remember playing true road games in non conference was Rutgers losing at Kennesaw state and Alabama playing North Dakota in a back and forth game 97-90.

I'm not disputing the arguments posters are using against Drake but I don't think it's fair that Drakes held to a standard of going 28-2 maybe 29-1 and others in power conferences need to go something like 4-12 against quad 1 teams and that's seen as enough.

I'm not comparing Drake to ANY power schools. No team that's 4-12 should get in either that's stupid. I just compared Drake to other midmajor schools and in MY opinion they still don't sniff those other schools. Just my opinion.

 

[Cmonwhatarewedoinghereman]

I think Drake is a good team. They play their butts off. But their situation is just kinda the nature of the beast.

A lotta people play the "do you wanna see Cinderalla or the big named school?"
TV eyeballs usually show us people would rather watch the big named school.

So you want 1 big 12 team in the CFB?

 

[GoHawks]

I'm not comparing Drake to ANY power schools. No team that's 4-12 should get in either that's stupid. I just compared Drake to other midmajor schools and in MY opinion they still don't sniff those other schools. Just my opinion.

Utah state is above Drake in my opinion I won't argue that one. Other 2 are comparable

 

[Cyballzz]

I personally think the win today secured them a bid no matter what.

Them and VCU have almost identical resumes except VCU even has a Q4 loss that Drake doesn't. They both have 1 Q1 win.

VCU has slightly better metrics and play in a slightly tougher conference and most sites have them as an at-large.

I jsut think the bubble is so weak they will put them in. The wins over 3 Power-5 teams also is something alot of mid majors don't have and they've won something like 14 road-neutral games which is extremely impressive.

You have to put UC San Diego and probably UC Irvine in then.

 

[AllInForISU]

Listen, I get the argument for Drake. They are having a very good year, but the how good can the MVC be if essentially a D2 team can come in and win the league?

Let’s face it, the MVC is not a good conference anymore. Not deserving of 2 teams.

 

[JP4CY]

So you want 1 big 12 team in the CFB?

Iowa State in CFB draws bigger eyeballs than Coastal Carolina.

 

[Clonehomer]

30-4 doesn't matter if your entire schedule is bad teams. At larges are supposed to be the best non-champions, not charity spots for bad leagues. That's what the auto-bids are for.

So why Oklahoma then? They’ve shown they cannot compete with other tournament teams. It isn’t like we’re knocking out good teams to get a team like Drake in. Just because we’ve elevated the SEC to god like status doesn’t mean everyone in the conference deserves to be in.

 

[dahliaclone]

So why Oklahoma then? They’ve shown they cannot compete with other tournament teams. It isn’t like we’re knocking out good teams to get a team like Drake in. Just because we’ve elevated the SEC to god like status doesn’t mean everyone in the conference deserves to be in.

Can you point me to where he’s said Oklahoma specifically should be in? Seriously asking I can’t find that post.

 

[goody2012]

Lets expand the tournament and have the opening round be P5 vs mid major at larges

 

[NoCreativity]

Lets expand the tournament and have the opening round be P5 vs mid major at larges

Hard pass, you're the first person I've heard that wants expansion. Nobody wants a more watered down product.

 

[CoachHines3]

Since Feb 11th- BYU is playing like a Top 3 team via Torvik