Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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Point still stands regarding the CFP. It is not at all "open" as you previously suggested as it is for all other college sports, NCAA sponsored or not.
And to state Wazzu and Oregon St weren't financially relegated by the actions of Fox and the B10 is sticking your effin head in the sand.
And CFB is the only American sport that I am aware of where the networks have the power to financially relegate franchises (college football teams) as they see fit. Fox has already done so and ESPN is along the same path. Like every other sport, it is far past time where the Presidents/ADs/Commissioners tell the networks you will bid on these conference packages as we want them, not how you want them that causes Wazzu and ORSt to get destroyed.
And quit focusing so much on the Senate/House, it is more likely a breakup of the ESPN/Fox duopoly occurs at the Judicial level for anti-trust reasons.
Conferences would still exist for competition purposes.
Mhver is suggesting they would no longer exist as separate TV negotiating entities and P4 TV rights would be aggregated and bid out NFL style (perhaps G5 rights as well).
I hope he is right on this one.
Guess it depends on the details. Who's kicking in the $100 billion? Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy Fox?
Are we in this mix? Can we get traditional and regional rivalries back?
Nah. Let's kill that golden goose
Yeah but this is because college sports aren’t professional sports whose sole goal is to make money. People on here like to throw around that college football/athletics is basically a professional sport but the reality is it couldn’t be farther away. College football subsidizes every other college sport but basketball in most bases and any additional profit that is made goes back into the AD to further help/grow all sports.
No way someone buys college football, sports and/or its TV rights for $100 billion. If you purchased every NFL franchise you would spend $190 billion. No way is college football valued at half that. IMHO.
CFB is the 2nd most watched sport in the US so it should be and needs to treated from a TV rights perspective like any other major US TV sports property even if the enterprise is not for profit in theory. The current ESPN/Fox model is leaving millions of dollars on the table in rights money and it enables ESPN/Fox to relegate CFP franchises as they see fit. Great for ESPN/Fox, far from great for P4 ADs.
Strong disagree with this, college sports aren’t now and should not be considered for profit enterprises.
I’ve also always disagreed with your notion that this is leaving millions of dollars on the table but no need to rehash that.
Only thing I've read with regards to PE is buying into programs, not conferences or college football as a whole. And if that's the case the only ones who will likely benefit are the bluebloods that have the brands capable of providing a return on what would be a pretty massive investment. I have no idea why fans of middling/bottom-half P2 programs or Big 12/ACC programs would be jazzed about PE coming in thinking they're going to invest in everyone. And yes I know that includes Iowa.
I love this thread. For one, it's a circular argument with both sides having very good points.
However, when discussing 'anti-trust', most everyone here is in the dark. If one understands the circle jerk of Blackrock, they then also understand the circle jerk of ESPN. The intent of the anti-trust laws have been circumvented by developing circular strongholds through investment. And if anyone doesn't think there's collusion between the circular strong hold of these entities, they're blind fools. The government can't intervene because their anti-trust laws are nearly 100 years old and there are too many greedy obstacles to change them.
These are now the crippling threat to the free-market concept.
However, when discussing 'anti-trust', most everyone here is in the dark. If one understands the circle jerk of Blackrock, they then also understand the circle jerk of ESPN. The intent of the anti-trust laws have been circumvented by developing circular strongholds through investment. And if anyone doesn't think there's collusion between the circular strong hold of these entities, they're blind fools. The government can't intervene because their anti-trust laws are nearly 100 years old and there are too many greedy obstacles to change them.
These are now the crippling threat to the free-market concept.
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You mean save the golden goose?
Nothing kills the golden goose more than the current path of these schools prioritizing money over everything else, all so less than 40 current ADs and presidents can ballon their budgets and salaries while killing the goose
A profit driven rewrite would save most rivalries, as outside of big brand vs big brand, they’re the best for profit
1.) get rid of buy games
2.) split 48 to 64 schools along P2 fault lines BIG and SEC. Tap into a north/south and red/blue hate
3.) create divisions in the two, generally along legacy conferences, in which you play 7 games against regional/historical rivals, leaving another 5 against others made for TV, and setup previous year
4.) ideally limit BIG vs SEC matchups to postseason to retain intrigue in non-CFP postseason
You mean save the golden goose?
Nothing kills the golden goose more than the current path of these schools prioritizing money over everything else, all so less than 40 current ADs and presidents can ballon their budgets and salaries while killing the goose
A profit driven rewrite would save most rivalries, as outside of big brand vs big brand, they’re the best for profit
1.) get rid of buy games
2.) split 48 to 64 schools along P2 fault lines BIG and SEC. Tap into a north/south and red/blue hate
3.) create divisions in the two, generally along legacy conferences, in which you play 7 games against regional/historical rivals, leaving another 5 against others made for TV, and setup previous year
4.) ideally limit BIG vs SEC matchups to postseason to retain intrigue in non-CFP postseason
You keep saying this. Where are you coming up with this number? Last I checked no media deal had been announced. And you are comparing it to what? The Big 12 number? Because last I checked the Pac 12 was struggling to get $25M for a deal, not $35. So what exactly are you basing their supposed reduction in TV payouts on?
Saying they would get more if it was before this team or that team left, is just hypothetical, just like the SECs hypothetical playoff game wins.
I think this argument plays a lot better once this 20mil payment mandate kicks in because right now nothing of what you’re saying is happening.
All P4 conferences are making more money then they have ever made in history. Ratings have been going up. ISU just had a record setting season, ASU won its first outright conference title in 30 years and made its first playoff, SMU, Boise, and Indiana also had similar seasons. Colorado is relevant for the first time in decades.
In basketball BYU just landed the number 1 overall recruit, UConn is coming off back to back championships, and ISU has a shot at a 1 seed.
Women’s basketball (and in a very minor case gymnastics) has never had better ratings or awareness.
Again, I totally get looking down at the future and seeing huge issues but right now this idea that college athletics and athletes are doing anything but amazing is completely misplaced.
Anyone putting in that level of investment is thinking bigger than what they can make off programs. It’s a great alternative investment asset class, if bought in scale.
Controlling a company can make them okay money. Controlling an industry makes them more.
An industry that collectively has had tremendous revenue growth, yet most business break even due to prisoners dilemma between businesses. Better yet, every business that’s pulling in revenue is non-profit, has inherent/captive customers that ******* donate to pay production costs.
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That’s a limited P2 POV, and the revenue disparity has really just started
Go read JPs letter, and talk to fans across the country about how they feel about needing to spend even more
I’m a proponent that the sport needed to become more national and pay players. But doing so in a manner that results in sports being cut in $120 million/year budgets isn’t amazing
I think the general understanding is that media contracts would be something the NCAA/ some other governing body would be able to negotiate like any other sports league with the protection of an antitrust exemption. There are many downstream effects going back over the past 35 years from the NCAA arguing their athletics program are academic pursuits in order to protect nonprofit status at the universities. Losing TV rights to conferences and schools was one of them.
Who is forcing you to pay more? Yes tickets are going up and you have to pay sales tax now, that’s what happens when teams have this level of success. You have two of the greatest coaches in the history of ISU sports right now, yeah you have to pay them and their staff to retain them. But again, you as a fan? No one is forcing you to do anything.
If you were coming off a 4 win season and having missed the tourney for a couple years those salaries are millions of dollars less. Also as people have pointed out part of this is AD’s anticipating having money before the ink was signed on contracts.
The bulk of this change is due to being forced to pay the athletes their fair share by the courts. This was going to happen regardless of realignment
Congress won't be regulating regulating college sports. They would be saying the NCAA has legal authority to broadly regulate all aspects of college sports. They do not have this, which is why they keep losing consistently in court since 1984 when it was first challenged.
