Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[CloneLawman]

Serious as I don’t think they need to or have the desire to gut the ACC right now.

Yes reseeding will happen or something to get rid of autobyes for champions. Don’t know if it will happen before next season or if they wait to see if this year was the outlier or not.

You won’t hear me defending the SEC or their constant ******** anytime soon.

Don't forget the B1G ********!!

 

[isucy86]

I love college sports. But why should congress step in to regulate or legislate how it operates? Isn't the primary reason colleges exist is to educate students vs. develop semi-pro athletes into professional athletes?

If it ends up that Big12 & ACC schools can't compete with Big10 & SEC then the Presidents and AD's of Big12 & ACC schools have to realistically decide the appropriate business model. Aka are they willing to be the Twins/Rays/Royals/Rangers vs. Dodgers/Yankees. Or after 4-5 years does it become a Harlem Globetrotters vs. Washington Generals relationship?

If the latter happens, then I am OK with Iowa State existing in a 2nd tier of college athletics. IMO that won't change the game day experience for Cyclone fans. But IMO that would be a step back from the more national product that is college sport today.

 

[FinalFourCy]

No.

But they might intervene if 2/3rds of the schools in current D1 football become formally blocked from the playoffs.

Unfortunately if that risk is deemed high by P2, there is an easy solution to that, but one that doesn’t still functionally leave us relegated. A slow suffocation via revenue and berth disparity

Arguably, the best course of action is to not give an inch, and force P2 to get in line or start Armageddon. It’s the case of the brakes going out at the top of a mountain. Best to crash right away, as it only gets worse

 

[Prone2Clone]

The forums I see are placing the blame on Terry and realignment. They are saying that Texas football is getting all the nil now that they are in the sec. Terry is also a lot like Tang.

Texa$ doesn't have enough NIL funding to cover men's basketball adequately?

 

[20eyes]

Exactly this. While OSU and WSU were effected in a very negitive way, BYU, CINCI, UCF, and Houston were all effected in a very positive way. Hard to say to most people that the system is destroying schools when more have been promoted to the P4 level and every single P4 conference is making more money then it ever does in history.

To avoid any further issues I can also see it being very possible that the P2 just say no to future ACC schools to preserve this and avoid issues. FSU falling off a cliff and Clemson reverting back certainly don’t help and with the SEC already complaining how “hard” they have it why would they want to add more potential threats?

Not saying the ACC lives forever but over the past year I’ve come around to thinking they will remain intact for longer then anticipated

As soon as humanly possible Virginia and UNC will be in the B1G. The ACC will not stay intact longer than anticipated.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I'm still struggling with calling Wazzu/Oregon State 'relegated'. The only reason they were in that spot to begin with was being located near their larger in state schools 100+ years ago before college sports became a multi-billion dollar industry.

If you were starting from scratch, Wazzu and Oregon State wouldn't even be in the conversation for inclusion. They aren't blowing up the entire system over those two or, frankly, dozens of other schools.

The CFP offers every school that plays FBS football a chance to advance. I just don't see any way the feds or the courts step in to require TV money be shared equally or the system changed so that everyone gets a seat. I get that the reality sucks and no one wants to think about it but thinking the feds are going to ride in and save the day is nothing more than Jamie hoping out loud.

 

[20eyes]

I'm still struggling with calling Wazzu/Oregon State 'relegated'. The only reason they were in that spot to begin with was being located near their larger in state schools 100+ years ago before college sports became a multi-billion dollar industry.

If you were starting from scratch, Wazzu and Oregon State wouldn't even be in the conversation for inclusion. They aren't blowing up the entire system over those two or, frankly, dozens of other schools.

The CFP offers every school that plays FBS football a chance to advance. I just don't see any way the feds or the courts step in to require TV money be shared equally or the system changed so that everyone gets a seat. I get that the reality sucks and no one wants to think about it but thinking the feds are going to ride in and save the day is nothing more than Jamie hoping out loud.

OSU and Wazzu have won Rose Bowls...ISU has never won anything of note. Your UNI black and gold is showing.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

OSU and Wazzu have won Rose Bowls...ISU has never won anything of note. Your UNI black and gold is showing.

Are you really bringing up WSU’s 1915 rose bowl win as a talking point? 110 years ago could not be a more irrelevant fact. Go back that far and almost every program has had a good season.

 

[cyfanatic]

I think that the Big 10 and Sec are inclined not to add, too.

Tough call...UNC and UVa are attractive for many reasons...and would fit the Big10 academically. What that would do to the rest of the ACC...who knows!

 

[20eyes]

Are you really bringing up WSU’s 1915 rose bowl win as a talking point? 110 years ago could not be a more irrelevant fact. Go back that far and almost every program has had a good season.

So you endorse the relegation of OSU & Wazzu like the local Purple Hawk. Noted.

 

[cykadelic2]

I'm still struggling with calling Wazzu/Oregon State 'relegated'. The only reason they were in that spot to begin with was being located near their larger in state schools 100+ years ago before college sports became a multi-billion dollar industry.

If you were starting from scratch, Wazzu and Oregon State wouldn't even be in the conversation for inclusion. They aren't blowing up the entire system over those two or, frankly, dozens of other schools.

The CFP offers every school that plays FBS football a chance to advance. I just don't see any way the feds or the courts step in to require TV money be shared equally or the system changed so that everyone gets a seat. I get that the reality sucks and no one wants to think about it but thinking the feds are going to ride in and save the day is nothing more than Jamie hoping out loud.

So wrong on multiple counts with this post.

There is competitive and financial relegation. Both Wazzu/ORSt clearly got financially relegated ($25M/yr reduction in TV payouts) and also competitively relegated as well for CFB with the new PAC. The new PAC isn't part of P4 autonomy and will obviously have more difficult access to the CFP.

Also, their history and alum interest justifies inclusion in a 70-school Super League concept. They clearly beat the hell out of effin Houston. Too bad the B12 doesn't have a do over where they initially expand with only UC and BYU and then later add Wazzu and ORSt as well.

And the CFP doesn't offer every school a chance to advance. D1 CFB is the only NCAA sport where all conference champs aren't guaranteed a spot in the playoff like every other NCAA sport does.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

OSU and Wazzu have won Rose Bowls...ISU has never won anything of note. Your UNI black and gold is showing.

Oh is that a PantherHawk joke? That's really funny and super original.

You know me, noted Iowa fan.

Oregon State did win that amazing 1942 Rose Bowl game. Real classic held in, checks notes, Durham, NC. They haven't even been to a Rose Bowl in 60 years.

 

[20eyes]

Oh is that a PantherHawk joke? That's really funny and super original.

You know me, noted Iowa fan.

Oregon State did win that amazing 1942 Rose Bowl game. Real classic held in, checks notes, Durham, NC. They haven't even been to a Rose Bowl in 60 years.

Hey SuperHawk, whatever point you were trying to make...the one you made is that OSU and Wazzu are extraneous programs in states that have big brother programs. ISU fans will know that sounds familiar.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Interesting thought. We've been assuming the only way aggregation could happen is gvmt fiat or PE.

But what if an Amazon or Netflix came in and made an enormous offer, say $125M per school annual but everyone needed to sign up? Would everyone be able to come together to take that, or would the P2 still say "we'd rather have less money and more advantage" ?

I mean, it’s private equity if any company/investors buy into college athletics. Even if done via a non-financial firm, good chance that whatever company that would have the balance sheet to pull it off is ultimately owned by the biggest investment firms.


I believe you just bring up prisoner’s dilemma? That can drive aggregation, particularly if athlete compensation is uncapped

If one of the two networks partnered with certain firms, they don’t need to sway very many schools before it’s a P1.

Taking a loss while doubling the P2 rate to steal potentially disgruntled P2 and top of ACC/Big 12 is plausible too.

It’s definitely not unheard of to overpay for an asset to a desired market setup. These are firms that buy companies to shut them down in effort to consolidate the market

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So you endorse the relegation of OSU & Wazzu like the local Purple Hawk. Noted.

So pointing out that you’re referencing a 100+ year old stat as an argument means I endorse relegation is a hell of a leap. I never wanted any of this last round of realignment and neither did most alums I know.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So wrong on multiple counts with this post.

There is competitive and financial relegation. Both Wazzu/ORSt clearly got financially relegated ($25M/yr reduction in TV payouts) and also competitively relegated as well for CFB with the new PAC. The new PAC isn't part of P4 autonomy and will obviously have more difficult access to the CFP.

Also, their history and alum interest justifies inclusion in a 70-school Super League concept. They clearly beat the hell out of effin Houston. Too bad the B12 doesn't have a do over where they initially expand with only UC and BYU and then later add Wazzu and ORSt as well.

And the CFP doesn't offer every school a chance to advance. D1 CFB is the only NCAA sport where all conference champs aren't guaranteed a spot in the playoff like every other NCAA sport does.

I agree with alot of what you said here, especially the Houston part, but do you really want all the other G5 leagues champs to get into the playoff?

 

[20eyes]

So pointing out that you’re referencing a 100+ year old stat as an argument means I endorse relegation is a hell of a leap. I never wanted any of this last round of realignment and neither did most alums I know.

Fair enough, do you or do you not consider what's happened to OSU and Wazzu as relegation?
Because Purple Hawk doesn't based on the existence of UO and UDub. His reason for this logic puts ISU in OSU and Wazzu's boat.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

So wrong on multiple counts with this post.

There is competitive and financial relegation. Both Wazzu/ORSt clearly got financially relegated ($25M/yr reduction in TV payouts) and also competitively relegated as well for CFB with the new PAC. The new PAC isn't part of P4 autonomy and will obviously have more difficult access to the CFP.

Also, their history and alum interest justifies inclusion in a 70-school Super League concept. They clearly beat the hell out of effin Houston.

And the CFP doesn't offer every school a chance to advance. D1 CFB is the only NCAA sport where all conference champs aren't guaranteed a spot in the playoff like every other NCAA sport does.

The CFP isn't an NCAA championship. You're comparing apples and oranges. The horse that was carrying that possibility left the barn 100+ years ago. The CFP is like the NIT before the NCAA bought it. They have their own criteria and own process and schools can either choose to

They weren't relegated. There isn't an NCAA by law that says this group of schools is entitled to X amount of TV dollars or X amount of conference distribution. It sucks, hate that it happened to them but I'm glad it wasn't Iowa State like it could have been a decade ago. It's not any TV network's responsibility to make sure that every school is compensated, the networks get to make the decision as to what they're willing to pay and who they are going to pay it to.

I don't hate the collective TV ideas and I think it would be great for the health of the sport but they're DOA. We have to live in what really has the possibility of happening.

Lastly, the reason it's going to be hard for senators especially to get involved is how do you advocate on behalf of one university in your state and not others. These people live everyday trying to figure out how to get re-elected. If I'm a senator in, let's say, North Carolina. Real hard to justify to my constituents that I'm out trying to 'save' NC State while Appy and East Carolina don't have a seat at the table. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Al_4_State]

Fair enough, do you or do you not consider what's happened to OSU and Wazzu as relegation?
Because Purple Hawk doesn't based on the existence of UO and UDub. His reason for this logic puts ISU in OSU and Wazzu's boat.

I don't think you read his post.

He's saying that Wazzu and Oregon State were only ever considered part of major college sports because of their inclusion in the old Pac, which was merely a function of proximity to the state flagships.

This has never applied to ISU. We have never been in the same conference as Iowa, and aren't really in the same boat on paper as either WSU or OSU. Our stadium is the size of those two schools' put together.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Hey SuperHawk, whatever point you were trying to make...the one you made is that OSU and Wazzu are extraneous programs in states that have big brother programs. ISU fans will know that sounds familiar.

I'm a lifelong fan of #3 in a low population state. Don't give me that garbage.