So about that transfer portal activity...
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That joefrog guy is one of the few people I have on ignore. Strong recommend. That guy's a moron.
Did you watch the game? We tried to dedicate more guys to the run, had guys screaming down to try to stop the run and ended up being out of position. When we played our base defense, guys were in position but couldn't tackle. This wasn't an X's and O's problem, it was a Jimmy and Joes problem.
Why is this talk in the transfer portal thread?
Dude... please. I'm not Mike Dikta. But I have spent time in and around football. And you couldn't possibly be more wrong. That is not something you simply do. Like, I don't want to make a 25 page post about how wrong you are, but you are so incredibly wrong but I'll try to keep it short, or relatively with the key points.
1. If it was easy to switch, everyone would who has ever struggled defensively. Both during game and at the end of every season. No one would ever be known for having a defense. Its not.
2. Coached DL at the small college level, HS, etc... I can't begin to explain in short sentences how wrong that statement is. You go from having a 2 gap at nose guard, and even at 4i, to now you have a single gap, go from 4i to 5 technique, which seems similar, but no, not its not. Not at freaking all. You almost need different players to play those techniques. So now you have to re-recruit your entire room. Not that many DT's are good at both two-gapping and one gapping. Very few DE's are good at 4i, spilling, and tacking on doubles as well as setting the edge. And for the most part, the ones that are? They aren't coming to Iowa State.
I could go on.
3. You have to redo your whole line backer room. Instead of them being responsible for scraping and flats to maybe curl or just drops, now you have to teach them how to take on people in the hole, get down field, and they are covering the under neath hole to hook to curl.
You... just no. Just... no. Its incredibly hard. Which is exactly why no one really does it.
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How dare anyone criticize Saint Matt, even when he gets blown out by a 2nd year coach.
So please explain what, exactly, our D-Line coach, and players, do.
Absent the one with amazing size and athleticism, the others appear to simply play pinch and tickle with the offensive linemen.
Do they stunt? Twist? Drop back?
I only saw the KU game live this year, and I couldn't understand not only what were they doing, but what did they think they were doing.
I'm sorry, but this is just as wrong as people thinking going from a 3-3 to 4-2 is simple. Giving up rushing yards like crazy f*ing matters, whether or not you score or not.
Every fist down we gave up by not stopping the run or getting a sack, guess what, that's 5-8 plays Beau, Malik, coop, JR, Orange had to play.
If we actually stopped the run, and say, saved 10 plays a game - that's 10 more plays for the offense to score...
10 x 12 = its a 120 plays a season where Beau doesn't have to play with one shoulder. Where Malik and Cooper can rest. Man, wouldn't that have been nice with a banged up defense?
If you manage to make it 15 plays a game, that's 150-200 plays a year. That is incredibly massive.
That's at least another 3 serries of offense, which barring 3 incomplete passes, that's probably 90+ seconds to 3-5 minutes of TOP advantage.
It also drastically impacts the field position even if you force a punt, which then impacts the Offensive coordinator's play calling whether we start on the 30, or on the 5. No points were scored, but the chances of us scoring and our time on offense have been drastically reduced by them gaining 30 rushing yads. Its another 3 minutes of game time we don't have to try to come back if we are down or tied.
IT freaking matters.
Both arguments ae just so... head banging. Maybe it's the coach in me.
But the argument of hey, it's easy to go to a 4-2 defense or 3-4 and so easy. No.
Rush yards against don't matter cause they didn't score. No.
The idea that the "rot" has set in and we can just replace CMC...... No.
Wow, how many schools will that be for him? Like 4 so far?
That is literally what is supposed to happen in a 3-4. Simplistically because you only watched one game; Your d line occupies blockers so your backers can clean it up.
So, that's had to do on a keyboard but I'll try.
1) So at the NG , unless in a slant or a blitz call, you beat the crap out of the center and have both A gaps. Most defenses prefer to have the Mike / MLB just fit off the NG and flow box to box (tackle to tackle), Offensive tackle, that is.
2) Your "4i's" will line up with in the B gap or outside eye to inside eye of the offensive tackle (hence the term 4i". Which is slightly wider, by a step or two, than a defensive tackle's typical 3 technique (think Waren Sapp, etc) and again, barring a blitz or stunt call, you have the B gap. Most of the time as a 4 technique when taking on a pulling OL your job is to collide him like a vehicle going to the wrong way, and try to make the ball bounce outside rathe than getting vertical because you have a safety or LB to fill on the outside of you.
3) If you take your 4i on an inside slant, his job would be smash into the offensive guard and wash him down into the center, trying to essentially create an open gap behind him for a blitzing backer or safety.
4) as a 4i, like a true zero technique (head up on the center) , you are going to face a lot of double teams. Similar, actually, potentially more a s 1 technique because you've aligned yourself right between two offensive linemen and your main job is to take on the double team and not get your a** kicked.
5) Typically, in a 3-4 or any 3-3 defense, again, unless you have a fan type package, you are going to not have your defensive linemen responsible for anything in the C gap to E gap and you're primary job is being able to take on blockers. Of course, in a perfect world, you are then going to be able to split the double team, get skinny and flip the hip (generally turning towards the center / inside but again that can change based on the call)
So, for example, say you want to become a 5 technique. Its completely opposite of a 4i. Whereas your kid at 4i is taught, spill the ball, force it outside, that's where my help is...
a 5 technique is taught, "force the ball inside, that's where my help is" they are completely opposite techniques and mindsets. Also, a 5 technique or 6 technique if you want to widen them even further which is what smart teams do to us offensively at times, you have contain. Wheras its harder to have contain from a 4i, especially if the tackle pins you inside so most of the time they aren't going to be asked to do so if they are aligned inside.
Same thing on the interior. If you are a zero technique the staff wants you to be a bad a** MOFO you can eat up two blocks, maybe 3, and not get moved down field and collapse the pocket and keep your shoulders square as long as you can. Again, trying to prevent the ball from getting vertical since you have two gaps.
As a 3 technique especially, most defenses in an even front are going to want a Warren Sapp type, who is going to press vertical on the snap, getting into the backfield, flipping the hip and only being responsible for the "B" gap cause he knows he has the DE outside of him and the Mike or Sam linebacker fitting into the A gap inside of him. So he can dip, rip and go right away.
Again, its a completely different concept.
I know that got really long and it'd be easy to explain on a white board like in a ted talk but this idea it's easy change is just plum wrong
Please make a video.
You can team up with Woody
Because the challenge as a true zero technique is if you try to play as a "1" technique, or a 3 and get upfield, well, now, you've opened a gap behind you. And if you do that, now you have a guard and center and running back coming through the A gap...
and one middle linebacker. I'm no math guru but that better be Butkus o Ray Lewis back there if you're asking him to go 1 on 3. And even then, that ain't good.
Similarly, if you have a 4i and he gets washed or runs up field - well, ****. Now our Sam / Will are scrapping outside, well, you went outside or got washed inside into the A gap... whose got the B gap? Oh, wait NO ONE.
There are 10 ushing gaps (some coaching staffs have more) but basically, say we use my model. A-E on each side. That means one player for every gap. One player F's up and if the offense is good - you are freaking screwed. If you have an earth mover at offensive tackle you can't defeat, man you'e screwed cause now you have to blitz and stunt, which means the likelihood of another gap getting compromised gets higher.
Defensive line BY FAR is the hardest position on the football field. OL is the 2nd. As a DL ...
you get car crashed every position. Sometimes by 600 pounds plus of man if you are a NG/DT.
You are the primary person the offense tries to get to jump with the hard count.
Offensive linemen are allowed to hold, double cut, chop, and most times the ref will smile at you and shake their head no when you ask for a call.
Teams who run no huddle are primarily doing it to wear down defensive linemen.
You aren't really allowed to hit the QB anymore.
You have about 1 to 1.5 seconds to react to everything where as a safety will have 2, maybe 3 seconds to recognize something. Which isn't great, but again, you're not getting phone booth assaulted by a pissed off 300 pound man whose been told all week by his position coach, HC, run game coordinator , etc - that he's a soft sack of monkey poo and that you slept with his mom and baby sister.
Screen passes make you look like a moron cause you're finally happy Goliath is not trying to murder you 2 out of 60 plays. Same with draws.
You'e a great edge rusher? Guess what? Now after beating a 315 pound mountain at LT, you get smacked in the side by his "little" 250 pound brother at tight end or pissed off midgit at RB whose going to cut you or chip you.
Then on top of it, you give up a rushing TD, you get screamed at for not getting off blocks, LB's will tell the defensive coordinator they have 25 dudes on them so that's why they can't get to the ball, fans will tell you you suck etc.
and one middle linebacker. I'm no math guru but that better be Butkus o Ray Lewis back there if you're asking him to go 1 on 3. And even then, that ain't good.
Similarly, if you have a 4i and he gets washed or runs up field - well, ****. Now our Sam / Will are scrapping outside, well, you went outside or got washed inside into the A gap... whose got the B gap? Oh, wait NO ONE.
There are 10 ushing gaps (some coaching staffs have more) but basically, say we use my model. A-E on each side. That means one player for every gap. One player F's up and if the offense is good - you are freaking screwed. If you have an earth mover at offensive tackle you can't defeat, man you'e screwed cause now you have to blitz and stunt, which means the likelihood of another gap getting compromised gets higher.
Defensive line BY FAR is the hardest position on the football field. OL is the 2nd. As a DL ...
you get car crashed every position. Sometimes by 600 pounds plus of man if you are a NG/DT.
You are the primary person the offense tries to get to jump with the hard count.
Offensive linemen are allowed to hold, double cut, chop, and most times the ref will smile at you and shake their head no when you ask for a call.
Teams who run no huddle are primarily doing it to wear down defensive linemen.
You aren't really allowed to hit the QB anymore.
You have about 1 to 1.5 seconds to react to everything where as a safety will have 2, maybe 3 seconds to recognize something. Which isn't great, but again, you're not getting phone booth assaulted by a pissed off 300 pound man whose been told all week by his position coach, HC, run game coordinator , etc - that he's a soft sack of monkey poo and that you slept with his mom and baby sister.
Screen passes make you look like a moron cause you're finally happy Goliath is not trying to murder you 2 out of 60 plays. Same with draws.
You'e a great edge rusher? Guess what? Now after beating a 315 pound mountain at LT, you get smacked in the side by his "little" 250 pound brother at tight end or pissed off midgit at RB whose going to cut you or chip you.
Then on top of it, you give up a rushing TD, you get screamed at for not getting off blocks, LB's will tell the defensive coordinator they have 25 dudes on them so that's why they can't get to the ball, fans will tell you you suck etc.
Hey, I'd love to if he wanted or anyone else wanted to. 100%, it'd be a dream come true to do something like that
Record 10-3, 2nd Big 12!
That is a great QB name that I would expect to find in stat books from the 1950s.
Perfect for Iowa's offense, also from the 1950s.
Sorry, last one at least on the front stuff and DL. Not to mention, its all "married."
So say TO aligns as 4i and the call asks him to crash into the OT and try to widden it out. 9 out of 10 times, you ae then going to ask Big Citrus to fit into the A gap play-side (to TO's side) because otherwise you ae going to have two line backers responsible for the B and A gap to that side which, while POSSIBLE, is dicey. And its not realistic to ask TO to both shove a 300+ man one way, and then be athletic enough to turn and play the gap behind him.
Can it be done? Technically, yes. If you have a true, bonafide DUDE at that position. But even, its not recommended. Which is why on most calls if you are fanning a 4i out, he now becomes responsible for the C gap and the backer will blitz or fit inside of him to the B gap. Again, if one of them screws up, your Fed.
Which in general terms - has a higher probability of when stunting with defensive linemen. Because if you get it sure, you decapitate the RB ... however...
a defensive linemen is a little bit like a semi-truck. If Big Citrus gets blocked the wrong direction and his pad level is high... man, its hard for him to put the brakes on and stop direction. Which is why winch pinching on say Goal line and short yardage, that off tackle run is so deadly, cause all you 300+ pounds is going one way, shoved that way by your own momentum and another 300-600 pounds, ... man its hard to stop direction there. Almost impossible.
Again, all, I apologize if I'm going on too long but I can talk D-line play. Not the world's greatest DL teacher or coach but I do have a little bit of an idea of what it takes
So say TO aligns as 4i and the call asks him to crash into the OT and try to widden it out. 9 out of 10 times, you ae then going to ask Big Citrus to fit into the A gap play-side (to TO's side) because otherwise you ae going to have two line backers responsible for the B and A gap to that side which, while POSSIBLE, is dicey. And its not realistic to ask TO to both shove a 300+ man one way, and then be athletic enough to turn and play the gap behind him.
Can it be done? Technically, yes. If you have a true, bonafide DUDE at that position. But even, its not recommended. Which is why on most calls if you are fanning a 4i out, he now becomes responsible for the C gap and the backer will blitz or fit inside of him to the B gap. Again, if one of them screws up, your Fed.
Which in general terms - has a higher probability of when stunting with defensive linemen. Because if you get it sure, you decapitate the RB ... however...
a defensive linemen is a little bit like a semi-truck. If Big Citrus gets blocked the wrong direction and his pad level is high... man, its hard for him to put the brakes on and stop direction. Which is why winch pinching on say Goal line and short yardage, that off tackle run is so deadly, cause all you 300+ pounds is going one way, shoved that way by your own momentum and another 300-600 pounds, ... man its hard to stop direction there. Almost impossible.
Again, all, I apologize if I'm going on too long but I can talk D-line play. Not the world's greatest DL teacher or coach but I do have a little bit of an idea of what it takes
