UCF Post game thread

1SEIACLONE

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They have to do this. Otherwise, there will be more hits on the QB to stop them from moving forward during the progression.
The QB is protected from getting hit once he starts his slide, the problem is not them doing it, it is in the marking of when he started the slide. Really wish they would be willing to call down from the booth to make sure that it is marked at the correct spot. Talking officials here not the team.
 
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Not the smartest play call with that much time left but much better than rushing a bad play and/or turnover from being rushed.
Huh, we were close enough, UCF was gassed, we had all momentum, players that are calm and coaches that don't seem to panic. As soon as we got the ball back, I was 99.7% sure we were winning that game. We didn't need the extra downs and we didn't need the entire clock they granted us. Easiest drive in a long time!!!
 

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I need someone in human psychology to do a study on how this continues to happen. It makes absolutely zero sense to me. What is the upside? And it’s happened so much the players have to have been coached in it.
My high school coach always told us to hand the ball to the ref. I guess Iowa 2A is a different beast than NCAA Div 1 ball.
 

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My high school coach always told us to hand the ball to the ref. I guess Iowa 2A is a different beast than NCAA Div 1 ball.
Hand the ball to the ref. Throw it into the stands. Kiss a cheerleader. Kick the mascot in the nuts.

All of these would result in less punishment than dropping the f*cking ball before the goal line.
 

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Not so easy as you are running down the field and then behind him would give you a poor angle to see clearly. You can see a lot more in the stands than the field or sidelines generally. Plus a lot less emotion.
Yeah, I can't fault players for not noticing. For one most are trailing the play, secondly nobody expects a doofus is gonna do the early drop. Can't believe that still occurs after all the attention it has received for several years.

I suppose defensive players could be taught extra awareness to watch for it and, when in doubt, jump on the ball or pick it up, just in case. Kind of like times when a kick returner doesn't officially down a touchback, sometimes a defender notices and takes advantage, sometimes not.
 
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I rewatched that a couple of times. I s didn’t see any view that showed the refs signal. Did they signal touchdown or blow the whistle? If either of those thing happened I don’t blame anyone for not picking the ball up.


Imo it’s a rule that needs to be clarified some. You don’t want players scrambling for every ball that’s dropped close to the goal line, so, if the refs signal touchdown or blow the whistle before anyone covers it, it really should be a touchback.

Again, I don’t see any signal, so if there was not one, then it is on the D. Live and learn. If it happens again, I bet we recover it.
IIRC, the rule is different in the NFL than in college. In the NFL it would have been called a touchback
 

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QB power (designed QB runs between the tackles) was the first major weakness this defense has seen and was UCFs whole gameplan. I am very very glad it got exposed before Kansas or especially Kansas State were able to take advantage, assuming Heacock can learn from this and properly scheme against it. LB play is also the most important thing against a QB power structure...
 

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IIRC, the rule is different in the NFL than in college. In the NFL it would have been called a touchback
Yes, and I get the rule. There just wasn't a shot of the refs on TV to see if they signaled TD or not and I couldn't hear if they blew the whistle. I'm not complaining as much as saying I don't blame the D for not covering it up if there was a TD signal and or the whistle blew.

I do still think the rule needs to be changed though. I don't like giving the ball back to the team who dropped it early if the refs signalled play over. You can't expect the D to keep playing, especially in today's rules with late hits, etc. I don't really see a lot of difference between a ball rolling out of bounds through the endzone and the refs blowing the ball dead in the endzone.

And again, if the refs didn't immediately signal a TD or blow the whistle, my point doesn't matter at all. In that case, our D should have 100% grabbed the ball.
 

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Yeah, I can't fault players for not noticing. For one most are trailing the play, secondly nobody expects a doofus is gonna do the early drop. Can't believe that still occurs after all the attention it has received for several years.

I suppose defensive players could be taught extra awareness to watch for it and, when in doubt, jump on the ball or pick it up, just in case. Kind of like times when a kick returner doesn't officially down a touchback, sometimes a defender notices and takes advantage, sometimes not.
That wouldn't have helped in this case since it was offensive players pursuing the ball carrier...
 

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A lot of people clamoring for the rule to be changed to give the ball to the team that didn't have possession before the fumble. However, not that long ago weren't there a ton of people clamoring for the rule that a fumble that goes into the endzone and out of bounds be changed so that it would no longer be a touchback?
 
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A lot of people clamoring for the rule to be changed to give the ball to the team that didn't have possession before the fumble. However, not that long ago weren't there a ton of people clamoring for the rule that a fumble that goes into the endzone and out of bounds be changed so that it would no longer be a touchback?
Treat it the way they did when our guy altered his stride before he scored and they called it unsportsmanlike conduct.

A guy "celebrating" early by dropping the ball before he crosses the line seems like there should be more of a penalty than just giving them the ball at the 1.

Call it unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and mark it 15 yards out from the point he dropped it.
 
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Yeah and we were incredibly lucky we weren't called for illegal procedure on that touchdown play. Someone on the left side (Neal?) jump so early he was already in the end zone when Rocco received the snap.
@Cloneon , @StPaulCyclone , and @nrg4isu:

Disagree with this post all you like, but the replay clearly shows that on the winning touchdown play, Neal jumped well before the ball was snapped. You could see it easily in real time, so I was surprised it wasn't flagged by the refs.

It's very possible (probably likely) we would have still scored even if the correct call was made, but it was definitely a botched call in favor of ISU.
 

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@Cloneon , @StPaulCyclone , and @nrg4isu:

Disagree with this post all you like, but the replay clearly shows that on the winning touchdown play, Neal jumped well before the ball was snapped. You could see it easily in real time, so I was surprised it wasn't flagged by the refs.

It's very possible (probably likely) we would have still scored even if the correct call was made, but it was definitely a botched call in favor of ISU.
I have watched the first go at the last field goal multiple times first looking at the whole line, then looking at one side, then looking at the other side. I fail to see where someone false starts. They didn't call a number so we don't know who they called it on. Luckily the same guy who blocked the PAT jumped early on the next attempt so ISU got the 5 yards back.

There are a ton of plays that could go either way. On Brown's long TD run ISU's tackle was hooked and pulled away allowing Brown to be sprung - a clear and obvious hold. Don't know if he would have made the play, but he doesn't have to be in position to make the play for the flag to be thrown.

Don't get me started on the uncalled PIs, late hits and tackles out of bounds, or absolutely terrible spots on multiple plays. It was an atrociously officiated game.
 

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Huh, we were close enough, UCF was gassed, we had all momentum, players that are calm and coaches that don't seem to panic. As soon as we got the ball back, I was 99.7% sure we were winning that game. We didn't need the extra downs and we didn't need the entire clock they granted us. Easiest drive in a long time!!!
That's funny because one minute earlier ESPN said ISU's chance of winning was 1%.
 

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@Cloneon , @StPaulCyclone , and @nrg4isu:

Disagree with this post all you like, but the replay clearly shows that on the winning touchdown play, Neal jumped well before the ball was snapped. You could see it easily in real time, so I was surprised it wasn't flagged by the refs.

It's very possible (probably likely) we would have still scored even if the correct call was made, but it was definitely a botched call in favor of ISU.

Someone else on the board said they counted 3 frames (therefore 0.1 seconds) between when Neal moved and Hufford's head moves. The camera angle doesn't show the ball, so no one can really speak with 100% certainty.

What I see when I re-watch it is that Hufford's head and Neal move at nearly the same time. Definitely within the margin of error that you would see throughout any college/NFL game. I earlier added that if you watch the tackles in the NFL, they're almost always a half-beat early on the snap.

I don't disagree that it could have been called. But I do definitely disagree that the "replay clearly shows" that "Neal jumped well before the ball was snapped".

In the end, refs are humans, the call wasn't made and we won the game. Hurray for Ames!