*** Official #12 IOWA STATE vs #18 Baylor Game(Day) Thread ***

[CyNews]

Well I don't really believe in moral victories either, we lost the game. Could we have played better, and smarter at times on offense down the stretch, well of course. BUT, it isn't really even the win or loss that matters with this game, as much as we got up off the deck and fought back, and then we were in an intense battle, in the lions den and we kept taking haymakers, and kept fighting back. We got down by 4 with less than 2 left and then Lipsey started getting on track, hit a free throw, drove again and got it down to 2, then hit the shot to tie it up. We take for granted that our team is expected to dominate where ever they play now, and that isn't the case Did you see Baylor's crowd, it was just as nuts as Hilton. It was an great effort to get back into the game.

I know Hilton. It is a friend of mine. And that is no Hilton.

 

[cyatheart]

Facts. They had a 13 percentage discrepancy from non-con to conference play... and they were at home.

Still.

We just don't defend the 3 point line well. It is what it is. Not going to change.

 

[BCClone]

Give it up…you obviously don’t understand athletics. I’ll give you an example that might actually make sense to you your limited understanding. Jake Sullivan used to be a masterful three-point shooter. How did he do it? He said that after every practice he put up over 100 three-point shots on his own. Do you think that had a little impact on his success? It’s about extra effort and wanting to be successful at various aspects of the game.

You do know that Jakes 3pt shooting dropped his last three years? Went down around 10% from his sophomore to his senior year. Did he practice less?

 

[Cychl82]

How in the hell is the math so hard on the replay my god

 

[scyclonekid]

So we go on the road to a top 20 team and it came down to finger tips or .3 more time……..

 

[cycloneML]

Scoring 7 points in the last 8min is a travesty

Missed a bunch of bunnies early also

 

[IcSyU]

Give it up…you obviously don’t understand athletics. I’ll give you an example that might actually make sense to you your limited understanding. Jake Sullivan used to be a masterful three-point shooter. How did he do it? He said that after every practice he put up over 100 three-point shots on his own. Do you think that had a little impact on his success? It’s about extra effort and wanting to be successful at various aspects of the game.

You make it sound like these guys don't get shots up. I guarantee you they all are. Getting shots up doesn't just magically translate to automatically better.

 

[qwerty]

I’m confused. 2.0 seconds. Refs said .5 clicked off, so they only put 1.2 back on? Where tf did the other .3 go?

No. Official said the clock started .5 seconds early. They stopped it with 0.7 left, added the 0.5 to give us 1.2. Would have been nice to have 1.5 as it turns out.

 

[cyatheart]

It goes far beyond muscle memory or you would see a ton of guys shooting 90+%.

Can you point me to any team in the country that has 4 or 5 90+% free throw shooters? Since they're so much more coached in muscle memory?

Is ISU a good shooting team? Do you not think they practice free throws? A Division 1 basketball team? Yes or no?

It's really just bob, if you take him out it's not awful.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

The lack of preparedness down the stretch is the only thing that bothers me. We were ahead by 7 with about 6 minutes to go and then ran no offense. The last 5 minutes was really really poor.

We need to get better at the line, and we need to do something other than that weak weave and ball screen down the stretch. We just have to be better offensively in those situations if they want to really make a run in March.

Baylor had the offense confused all night. Nothing changed in the last 6 minutes. The only reason ISU was in the position they were in is because the Baylor coaching staff couldn't keep their mouth shut. If they don't get the T's..........Baylor wins this game by 6-10.

 

[madguy30]

Give it up…you obviously don’t understand athletics. I’ll give you an example that might actually make sense to you your limited understanding. Jake Sullivan used to be a masterful three-point shooter. How did he do it? He said that after every practice he put up over 100 three-point shots on his own. Do you think that had a little impact on his success? It’s about extra effort and wanting to be successful at various aspects of the game.

You tell me I don't know about athletics and then you use one example from 20 years ago?

Do you really think it's that simple? You think ISU's players know they need to improve on the aspect? Do you have any sources that they don't put in extra time?

Don't come at me with this BS about a limited understanding if you can't answer those questions without some ******** from reaching back to one of the better shooters in school history as an example.

 

[awd4cy]

I know Hilton. It is a friend of mine. And that is no Hilton.

Definitely no Hilton. I think they did dramatically improve their atmosphere though. Definitely a top half one in the Big 12 now if it’s like that most nights.

 

[Cyclonepride]

We just don't defend the 3 point line well. It is what it is. Not going to change.

Our defense purposely favors taking the paint away and forcing turnovers over that. It is what it is, you just hope the other team doesn’t light it up like they did tonight

 

[cyatheart]

Baylor had the offense confused all night. Nothing changed in the last 6 minutes. The only reason ISU was in the position they were in is because the Baylor coaching staff couldn't keep their mouth shut. If they don't get the T's..........Baylor wins this game by 6-10.

I agree, it was poor all night, but was way worse down the stretch.

 

[Clonehomer]

I think between kus win and our loss, we're probably not in Omaha anymore

It’s a bit early for that talk. We’re still in first place in the league. We still have another shot at Houston. If we can pull one out on Tuesday, I still like our chances in the league. We have @ UT, @ Houston, and @ UCF that worry me. Everything else is at home or road games we should win.

 

[Malone]

Love TJ and the program. But there continues to be low offensive output or huge scoring droughts pretty consistently. We have a lot of games where we have 4 minute plus scoring droughts. Tonight we had one one FG in an 8 minute stretch. I wish as a program, we can figure out a way to stay out of these scoring lulls. TJ's teams play hard, no doubt about that, but they need to play with higher BB IQ. Tonight, their BB IQ in the last 4 minutes was some of the worst I have ever seen. That game was there for the taking, we lost it between the ears.

When Tre and BRE are your best big man options to close a game, you’re playing 3 on 5 offensively. Tre has the basketball IQ of a door stop and BRE is a liability in almost every way in a game where free throws become important.

For better or worse these are the guys we have and it’s not surprising we have poor play with the game on the line. That’s a lot on the shoulders of our guards.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I think he got his two technicals for being out of the coaches box. He was nearly on the three point arc on the first offense.

I wonder if the quick 2nd technical, the refs were thinking that they didn't want another Tang incident charging TJ? Not that I think that would have happened, but they might have talked about such things before the game. Just a thought I had when it happened so fast.

 

[AlCyJim]

Imagine if Rob f*cking Jones wasn’t the one shooting the lion’s share of free throws. Disgusting way to lose a game

imagine if the other players had made their free-throws or if they had not thrown the ball away coming down the floor. gilbert with what 19 seconds to go or somebody makes a 3 early on. but this gives all you BRE haters something to be happy about.

 

[ZRF]

So where’s the extra .2 then? If they can determine kt was started .5 early, why not go to 1.5 instead of 1.2Go.

I think you make the argument that starting the clock early, which completely alters the subsequent events, should necessitate a dead ball at possession, meaning we get the ball with 2 seconds. It should also be at the spot we obtained possession, and be a sideline throw in.

The officiating is clownshoes. I'd maintain the leagues could open their own official schools where they recruit, train, and grade officials. You suck? You're fired and reward the good ones with bonuses.

As crazy as it sounds I think it would easily pay for itself in added value (watchability), increased viewership, etc. If you are going to overpay the coaches by millions, the ADs by millions, and have NILs that can pay millions, why not invest in the facet that's "ruining" your business?

It's like manufacturing a car without brakes.

 

[t-noah]

You're congratulating a team that tried to game the clock and bank a win by starting the clock early?

F Baylor.

Well yeah, there was that. At least the ref had the guts to see it and call it.

Crazy.