I'm not super worried about that. It seems to me that our bigs picked up a lot of fouls because Holmes had trouble staying in front of guys. I don't think that we'll have that problem with Gilbert and C.Jones. Pav we might.
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I'm not super worried about that. It seems to me that our bigs picked up a lot of fouls because Holmes had trouble staying in front of guys. I don't think that we'll have that problem with Gilbert and C.Jones. Pav we might.
I don't think he's a lock to start because I question his ability to guard at this level. Offensively, he seems like Kunc with a better handle and more consistent shot. But defensively, can he avoid being pushed around by bruisers? Can he guard a 3 or small ball 4 on the perimeter? That's a lot to ask of a TRFR that hasn't been known for his defense.
Pav or C Jones really offer that much more defensively? Cmon now.
I think we can all agree Lipsey, Gilbert, and Omaha are locks to start. Is Omaha gonna be a 3 or 4? That’s ultimately gonna decide what happens with the other 2 spots.
Milan is a lock as well.
You have the right 10 imo.
Disagree a little on line ups. But tough to figure out. Several guys will play multiple positions . Gilbert will be the backup point, but may start at the 2. Omaha pIays 3 and 4. I think sometimes we play big and sometimes small. Nice to have a lot of options for a change. I do not think King plays the 5 spot, too small. I see something like:
Lipsey
Jones
Omaha
King
Jones
Gilbert
Pav
Watson
Milan
Ward
My hope based on the info we've heard so far:
Lipsey (has to improve his jump shot, teams killed us by playing off him)
Jones (Can really hit the three and is a good rebounder)
Omaha (I put him at the 3 as I think he will be guarding more 3's then Milan will)
Milan (He will play the Jaz role, I have a hard time with a guy of his recruiting status not getting the start)
Ward (If he lives up to the pre season hype I'd be surprised to not see him here)
Bench:
Tre (Will fight for starting spot with ward and may start if we go small)
Gilbert (I think he could fight with Lipsey for point guard if Lipsey continues to struggle shooting)
Pav (Could start over Jones, we just haven't heard that much about him yet)
Watson (Did some things well last year, if he can really find a shot he has the intangibles to start at some point)
BRE (less frequently I pray)
That said I feel like this year more then most years anyone could start and it wouldn't surprise me a ton.
Lipsey (has to improve his jump shot, teams killed us by playing off him)
Jones (Can really hit the three and is a good rebounder)
Omaha (I put him at the 3 as I think he will be guarding more 3's then Milan will)
Milan (He will play the Jaz role, I have a hard time with a guy of his recruiting status not getting the start)
Ward (If he lives up to the pre season hype I'd be surprised to not see him here)
Bench:
Tre (Will fight for starting spot with ward and may start if we go small)
Gilbert (I think he could fight with Lipsey for point guard if Lipsey continues to struggle shooting)
Pav (Could start over Jones, we just haven't heard that much about him yet)
Watson (Did some things well last year, if he can really find a shot he has the intangibles to start at some point)
BRE (less frequently I pray)
That said I feel like this year more then most years anyone could start and it wouldn't surprise me a ton.
Paveletzke was better than solid for Wofford averaging 15ppg and nambe Southern Conference freshman of the year and was a third-team all-SoCon. He shot 49.4% from the field and 84.2% from the free-throw line. He also made a shade under 40% from beyond the 3-point arc. He was invited to the U19 USA basketball like Milian and Omaha which indicating coaches are very high on all their games.
I could see your case but no one should be "shocked" with Jackson starting game 1. I just wanted to point out that while Milian is highly rated and has a case to start Pav also has a very good case to get a starting nod.
yea i just figured Otz goes with experience to start season and let's Milan boost bench scoring but if he's that good we won't be able to keep him off the floor as season goes on.
i think an ideal lineup later in season could be something like:
Lipsey Gilbert Jones Milan Omaha
max shooting and play trapping aggressive defense get up n down the court fast paced.
i don't think that's true to start the season and with Omaha and a Center on the court that's not the best ball handling lineup. i could see starting Jones or King but lineup we play most mins has Omaha at C and Milan at the 4.
Milan can play the 3. Go watch his highlights, he can handle it well and pass. He plays like a guard.
I am sure TJ loves the kid, but there is a whole different level of competition for playing time next season. If Rob is better at the 5 than King or Ward, then he will play significantly. But if Rob's game is the same as 2022/23 season- his time will be limited. TJ can value Rob just as much as a 10 mpg player as 20 mpg player.
A new dynamic next year is recruitment of elite HS post players in Rock, Billiew and Momcilovic, TJ's going to give them every chance to earn minutes if they are ready.
Lipsey
Gilbert
Pav/C. Jones
Omaha
King
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Milan
C.Jones/Pav
Watson
BRE
Ward
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Hamilton
Fish
Rock
It’s hilarious our bottom three guys are a 3 star in Fish who may sneak some minutes here and there this year, and then two 4 stars with one being a top 50 player (2024) in JT.
Gilbert
Pav/C. Jones
Omaha
King
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Milan
C.Jones/Pav
Watson
BRE
Ward
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Hamilton
Fish
Rock
It’s hilarious our bottom three guys are a 3 star in Fish who may sneak some minutes here and there this year, and then two 4 stars with one being a top 50 player (2024) in JT.
But the question is- can he defend like a guard. Not convinced based on his HS highlights or game video.
Most teams start 3/4 guards or 3 guards and a quick wing. Momcilovic is the prototypical college 4/5. I see no way Momcilovic plays the 3 unless TJ missed on Gilbert, Jones, Paveletzke and Biliew. Or Watson's game doesn't improve.
Defense is very important for TJ. It's why I'm bullish on BRE. Doesn't mean he plays the most minutes but I think he starts. TJ is big on setting a tone to start the game. Rob always brings it.
I mean, they are different positions. There's some shuffling around and who knows what the best lineup would be. But if you are looking at the 2/3/4, which lineup is the best combination of both offense and defense:
2 Pav
3 Gilbert
4 Omaha
2 Gilbert
3 Jones
4 Omaha
2 Gilbert
3 Omaha
4 Momcilivic
I would personally pick the second one, as you have more guys that can put pressure on the defense off the dribble and you have some high level defenders as well. I have high hopes for Momcilivic, but I don't know that I expect so much from him THIS season.
I loved BRE off the bench imo. I would love King to start but honestly whoever it is will earn it and deserve it. Each bring different skillsets and what I love the most is both absolutely bust their ass.
i've seen his highlights he's an awesome talent i'm pumped to see him play
but lack of quickness is what i'm getting at. lights out shooter, can pass....can he move his feet? can he drive to the rim past guys?
those things are what matter when figuring out if he can play the "3"
cause he seems more like a college ball 4 to me
I see our guards combining for around 100 total minutes. Lipsey, Pav, C Jones and Gilbert. With Hamilton seeing minutes when the need arises.
The forwards getting about 80. (20@3, 40@4, 20@5) Biliew, King, Watson, Momcilovic. Fish as the emergency fill in.
Finally Ward and BRE combining for around 20 at the 5. If Rock ends up being a rotation guy this number gets expanded
The forwards getting about 80. (20@3, 40@4, 20@5) Biliew, King, Watson, Momcilovic. Fish as the emergency fill in.
Finally Ward and BRE combining for around 20 at the 5. If Rock ends up being a rotation guy this number gets expanded
I think you all are getting a little too caught up in the whole 1-5, three guards/two forwards positional structure. I get that is the natural construct we normally see but take a look at some of the starting lineups we saw from teams in the B12 last season -
TCU:
Lampkin - 6'11 C
Miller - 6'7 F
Obannon - 6'6 F
Baugh - 6'4 G
Miles - 6'2 G
KSU:
Iyiola - C 6'10
Tomlin - F 6'10
Johnson - F 6'6
Carter - G 6'3
Nowell- G 5'8
Texas:
Disu - F 6'9
Mitchell - F 6'8
Allen - F 6'7
Hunter - G 6'
Carr - G 6'2
Those are three teams that had a lot of success in the league last season starting only two true guards.
In my opinion, a lineup of Lipsey - Gilbert - Milan - Omaha - TKing puts the best 5 players on the court at the same time and gives the Cyclones the best opportunity to win. It puts three ELITE defenders on the court in Lipsey, Gilbert and Omaha, and offers plenty of scoring with Milan and Gilbert from all three levels and TK/Omaha inside.
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