Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[9104Griffith]

SDSU and the MW appear to have kissed and made up.

SDSU to remain in Mountain West, receive $6.6M

The Mountain West informed San Diego State that they're a member in good standing, commissioner Gloria Nevarez officially announced Wednesday.

www.espn.com

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Wow, he is really throwing anything up against the wall. Which he does kind of admit - no one knows what is gonna happen, changes day to day. But throwing out Tulane, Boise, Colorado St... not to mention SMU & SDSt. Really reaching there, but I think that is the reality of where PAC is at if you talk expansion.

He also says the missed timelines and promises of "on par" with ACC and Big12 - if that turns out bad in the end it would be "bad for the brand" of the PAC. No dude, it wouldn't be BAD for the brand, it would be the END of the brand.

He is against it, but I think at this point, their least bad option is staying at 10, like the Big12 did. But that only works if OU/UW are willing settle for "performance pay" and a better chance to make the CFP (which they might). Adding G5s would add a game or 2 to the inventory, but the value of those added games is rock bottom. And you still have more mouths to feed, even at partial shares. It doesn't work financially in my mind, and I don't think they are in desperation mode for quantity until OU/UW leave (again just like the Big12 - looked but didn't need to add until after OuT).

Listen AZ, CU, ASU- do you want to join the Big12 now, or wait a few years so you can fall behind further and have even less leverage when joining? If you are getting divorced regardless, better sooner than later...

The bolded only works if the Pac12 can come up with enough money for Oregon and Washington in the ballpark with what B10 are making. If they can get the two schools within 10 to 20 million a year, what he is saying might make sense, but if its 30 to 50 million a year difference, then the easier path to the playoff I would think would be out the window.

Did sound like he was grasping at straws.

 

[Cyched]

SDSU and the MW appear to have kissed and made up.

SDSU to remain in Mountain West, receive $6.6M

The Mountain West informed San Diego State that they're a member in good standing, commissioner Gloria Nevarez officially announced Wednesday.

www.espn.com

PAC did SDSU dirty

 

[KnappShack]

The bolded only works if the Pac12 can come up with enough money for Oregon and Washington in the ballpark with what B10 are making. If they can get the two schools within 10 to 20 million a year, what he is saying might make sense, but if its 30 to 50 million a year difference, then the easier path to the playoff I would think would be out the window.

Did sound like he was grasping at straws.

Still have to get the B1G invite or back channel interest to set the bar that high.

Have they? I'm not 100% sure. If it isn't guaranteed or highly probable they'll be B1G bound then they really only need to clear Big 12 dough

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Still have to get the B1G invite or back channel interest to set the bar that high.

Have they? I'm not 100% sure. If it isn't guaranteed or highly probable they'll be B1G bound then they really only need to clear Big 12 dough

I kind of thought that was a given, that if there is no invite from the B10, then both schools will stay in the P12. Neither is going to leave, until the invite, even at a reduced rate has been made.

 

[Acylum]

Kind of freaking out today.

He had a surprisingly defeatist attitude during yesterday’s pod.

 

[KnappShack]

He had a surprisingly defeatist attitude during yesterday’s pod.

Delicious

 

[CascadeClone]

The bolded only works if the Pac12 can come up with enough money for Oregon and Washington in the ballpark with what B10 are making. If they can get the two schools within 10 to 20 million a year, what he is saying might make sense, but if its 30 to 50 million a year difference, then the easier path to the playoff I would think would be out the window.

Did sound like he was grasping at straws.

Long term, I agree. But in the long term a B1G invite (or lack thereof) will trump everything else.

I was just talking in the short term (this TV contract), sans a B1G invite - they will want unequal sharing, and if they will accept CFP performance pay as that unequal share. Because straight unequal sharing of the TV contract, I don't think the 4 corners would be OK with that and then THEY might jump to Big12.

There's just so many competing interests and variables, I get whey Kliavkoff is struggling - there just isn't really any 1 variable you can just nail down and move on to the next. Plug one hole, and another appears. Explains why SDST got sideways in all of it too.

 

[Pope]

Some more rumors:
Monty Show's "sources" are saying GK took a deal to the Pac board of directors that included 80% streaming and the rest on regional sports networks, and the board chose not to take the offer to the member institutions. Also saying the Pac's highest offer so far is $19.7 million/school.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Some more rumors:
Monty Show's "sources" are saying GK took a deal to the Pac board of directors that included 80% streaming and the rest on regional sports networks, and the board chose not to take the offer to the member institutions. Also saying the Pac's highest offer so far is $19.7 million/school.

That's a big yikes (worse then the previous Big12 media deal).

 

[AuH2O]

The bolded only works if the Pac12 can come up with enough money for Oregon and Washington in the ballpark with what B10 are making. If they can get the two schools within 10 to 20 million a year, what he is saying might make sense, but if its 30 to 50 million a year difference, then the easier path to the playoff I would think would be out the window.

Did sound like he was grasping at straws.

I still see no way that this isn't a very binary decision. If the Big 10 invites them, they are going, and there isn't going to be a deal that is keeping them from going. It would probably cost the other schools so much money to get OU and UW close to the Big 10 that the others will be begging to get to the Big 12. The other 10 schools might need to hand over $100M to OU and UW per year to keep them. If their deal is $30/team/year, I don't see anyone outside of WSU and OSU being OK with $20M.

I just think this gets simple.
1. If the Big 10 offers UW and OU, they go and conference loses more to the Big 12
2. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear is good enough to keep the league intact as is
3. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear are not satisfactory for schools that may want to jump to the Big 12.

It will be very interesting. If the Big 10 doesn't offer OU and UW, what leverage do they really have to push for unequal revenue sharing? They could do performance-based revenue, but that might be helping Utah as much or more.

I don't see a window where the rest of the PAC could do enough to keep OU and UW with a Big 10 offer without pushing teams to the Big 12.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I still see no way that this isn't a very binary decision. If the Big 10 invites them, they are going, and there isn't going to be a deal that is keeping them from going. It would probably cost the other schools so much money to get OU and UW close to the Big 10 that the others will be begging to get to the Big 12. The other 10 schools might need to hand over $100M to OU and UW per year to keep them. If their deal is $30/team/year, I don't see anyone outside of WSU and OSU being OK with $20M.

I just think this gets simple.
1. If the Big 10 offers UW and OU, they go and conference loses more to the Big 12
2. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear is good enough to keep the league intact as is
3. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear are not satisfactory for schools that may want to jump to the Big 12.

It will be very interesting. If the Big 10 doesn't offer OU and UW, what leverage do they really have to push for unequal revenue sharing? They could do performance-based revenue, but that might be helping Utah as much or more.

I don't see a window where the rest of the PAC could do enough to keep OU and UW with a Big 10 offer without pushing teams to the Big 12.

I just want OU/UW to the Big Ten so I can watch the PAC-11 terds continue to blame their issues on the Big-12. I’m fascinated by their lack of situational awareness.

 

[DrShip]

When you have players like these ”come to the table”:

Nickelodeon
QVC
Food Network
TLC
Game Show Network
HyVee’s TV channel

You don’t just “sign a deal” willy nilly. Gotta bring in the big guns.

4D checkers.

Don't insult checkers. This MIGHT be Connect 4.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I still see no way that this isn't a very binary decision. If the Big 10 invites them, they are going, and there isn't going to be a deal that is keeping them from going. It would probably cost the other schools so much money to get OU and UW close to the Big 10 that the others will be begging to get to the Big 12. The other 10 schools might need to hand over $100M to OU and UW per year to keep them. If their deal is $30/team/year, I don't see anyone outside of WSU and OSU being OK with $20M.

I just think this gets simple.
1. If the Big 10 offers UW and OU, they go and conference loses more to the Big 12
2. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear is good enough to keep the league intact as is
3. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear are not satisfactory for schools that may want to jump to the Big 12.

It will be very interesting. If the Big 10 doesn't offer OU and UW, what leverage do they really have to push for unequal revenue sharing? They could do performance-based revenue, but that might be helping Utah as much or more.

I don't see a window where the rest of the PAC could do enough to keep OU and UW with a Big 10 offer without pushing teams to the Big 12.

Completely agree with this. Why give them unequal revenue without a guarantee they aren’t going anywhere for a decade plus? Doesn’t make sense

 

[Jkclone15]

He had a surprisingly defeatist attitude during yesterday’s pod.

How many subscribers to Locked On PAC-12 are BIG12 fans? Lol

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I still see no way that this isn't a very binary decision. If the Big 10 invites them, they are going, and there isn't going to be a deal that is keeping them from going. It would probably cost the other schools so much money to get OU and UW close to the Big 10 that the others will be begging to get to the Big 12. The other 10 schools might need to hand over $100M to OU and UW per year to keep them. If their deal is $30/team/year, I don't see anyone outside of WSU and OSU being OK with $20M.

I just think this gets simple.
1. If the Big 10 offers UW and OU, they go and conference loses more to the Big 12
2. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear is good enough to keep the league intact as is
3. The Big 10 doesn't offer them and the money and linear are not satisfactory for schools that may want to jump to the Big 12.

It will be very interesting. If the Big 10 doesn't offer OU and UW, what leverage do they really have to push for unequal revenue sharing? They could do performance-based revenue, but that might be helping Utah as much or more.

I don't see a window where the rest of the PAC could do enough to keep OU and UW with a Big 10 offer without pushing teams to the Big 12.

I think we are pretty much on the same page, this guy's idea that if offered by the B10, that OU and UW would stay for a better chance at the playoff, will be trumped by the money difference between what the two conferences can pay out.
So, both schools would jump if the offer were there, even at a reduced rate, because it will be 10's of millions more than what the P12 schools will be getting.

I tend to think that the B10 is slow playing both OU and UW, and would prefer to take schools out of ACC, to strengthen the leagues presence on the East Coast. That OU and UW are fallback schools incase their plans in the east do not work out. The B10 already has the LA market, and therefore can sell the BTN to the entire state, they would rather have Florida, N. Carolina and that region that what they can make in Washington and Oregon.

 

[DrShip]

How many subscribers to Locked On PAC-12 are BIG12 fans? Lol

I don't subscribe, but the only reason I listen on occasion is to hear their delusions. Canzano on a couple weeks ago was gold.

 

[OregonCyclone]

The irony would be glorious considering how much the Pac 12 refers to the Big 12 as the “truck stop conference”.

I have never understood this observation. I lived in Oregon for 12 years, California for 10, Arizona for 2, and I've driven every major interstate in every Pac-12 state. Truck stops at every rural interchange, just like in the Midwest. The Pac-12 is every bit the truck stop conference they think the Big-12 is. Their blinders are embarrassing.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

I could get a good laugh if BY would sell some ads to something truck stop related for the conference championship games.

 

[Clonefan94]

I think we are pretty much on the same page, this guy's idea that if offered by the B10, that OU and UW would stay for a better chance at the playoff, will be trumped by the money difference between what the two conferences can pay out.
So, both schools would jump if the offer were there, even at a reduced rate, because it will be 10's of millions more than what the P12 schools will be getting.

I tend to think that the B10 is slow playing both OU and UW, and would prefer to take schools out of ACC, to strengthen the leagues presence on the East Coast. That OU and UW are fallback schools incase their plans in the east do not work out. The B10 already has the LA market, and therefore can sell the BTN to the entire state, they would rather have Florida, N. Carolina and that region that what they can make in Washington and Oregon.

I'm with you on this 100%. If WAOU had the value they think they do they'd either"
A. Have a Big 10 invite already
B. The TV money would be better for the PAC than what they are seeing now.

I don't think the value is really there. So, like you said, The Big 10 is slow playing them, knowing that if they do decide they want WAOU, they will get them at a much reduced price,