I don't see enough commitment from the UNLV athletic department or the residents/ businesses of Las Vegas to warrant them going to the PAC 12.
Pac-12 to decide whether to expand within a couple weeks
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So we’re creating an alliance that is going to piss off the largest gems in the weakest remaining conference. Maybe that’s the idea…shakes them loose I guess. Face it, with what you’re touting, the terms of this “alliance” suck for USC, and if that’s the case it isn’t an alliance that will last for long if it ever comes into fruition.
The media rights are based on the previous agreement, and old model. I guess you bought one of ImperialCyclone’s 2010 models…hope you got your money’s worth, but it is 2021 now.
Honestly I wasn’t really intending to get involved anywhere else but the post I started but when people started to say what I was saying had no merit I chimed in. Might as well bow out here. I really do hope you guys get in the pac12, honestly I would love to have you in the big ten. Maybe something new develops and some cross media deal emerges where the big8 gets divided up between the three and you guys end up where you want. Or maybe you win the next two nattys and everyone is begging to have you. Regardless of how it happens I do hope it works out
The ACC invited Boston College which is a religious institution. How much of an issue would it be for the PAC 12 to invite TCU or Baylor?
ImperialCyclone, I have read several of your posts. It helps if you have some economics, but you might find interesting Frank Knight's book, Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit (1921). The part on profit in particular is relevant, but you have to start from the beginning as it builds from that.
Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit | Mises Institute
The other issue is that a school like ISU can’t afford the 75-250MM buyout if the conference lasted until 2025. So they have to wait and make sure everyone has a home, or ride out the GoRs.
I don't know if Bowlsby stating the value Texas and OU brought to the conference is throwing the Big 8 under the bus. It could simply be the reality. On the other hand, I think he should be tooting the horn more of the competitive value of the Big 8. We are at least in the mix of the lower end of Power 5 conferences.
He never said they were 50%. He said $14 million which would be out of 37. Which is still significant but only just over 35%. So let’s not exaggerate.
“Texas lawmakers dug into the future of the Big 12 without the Sooners and Longhorns. Bowlsby said the TV contract value would take a 50% hit.” From USNews and a bunch of other pages. If he came back and said something different you might have more recent info
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said on Monday that each remaining school in the league can expect to earn about $14 million less per year without the Sooners and Longhorns
That was from the Wichita paper. My phone wasn’t linking well.
Payout this year is projected to be 40.4MM. Seeing how he said it is 14MM going forward. That is a 34% cut
Say the PAC does want to expand, by 4-6 teams; if they take 4 to 6 Big 12/8 teams, where does that leave the OuT buyout? What would the team and time frame be on that?
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Do you think the networks value Iowa State, Kansas State, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Oregon State, Cal, Indiana, Northwestern and the other 40 programs of the same ilk? IMO No. The networks are paying 50%+ of their media rights expenditures to show traditional powers or solid schools with large alumni bases. So like it or not- ESPN, Fox, etc. are paying to televise: Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M, LSU, Clemson, Florida State, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Notre Dame.
There is a next tier like Wisky, Nebraska and Tennessee that could be tier 1 programs if their teams are consistently top 10. Yes I shudder to include NU in that list and could easily be talked into removing them, based on their success over the last 20 years and fact that Nebraska is the 37th most populous state.
I agree 100% that CFB would lose a lot with just 30 schools. It would largely become a regional fan support sport, except of few intersectional games. Much of CFB's love affair by America is that college football fans at 120+ schools all have a connection to the race to be a playoff team. Cyclone fans know this better than most because a very average ISU team beat 2nd ranked Okie State and knocked them out of the playoff chase in 2011. One can also look at Appalachian State beating a 5th ranked Michigan back in 2007.
They push the agenda cause their paycheck comes from the company pushing the agenda.
I have to question his sources as well. So, he's basically saying the PAC joined an alliance with the B1G so that in a couple of years, instead of now, the B1G can destroy their conference by poaching marquee teams. Makes perfect sense.
And what outstanding leadership by the PAC commissioner as well. He just took over the job, and in a couple of years he'll preside over the ruins of the PAC 12, because apparently he's powerless against the conference that couldn't even decide if it wanted to play football last season until other conferences decided it for them.
And of course his recent interview where he said in two weeks the PAC will announce (just as the season is beginning mind you) whether they're expanding or not must be some smokescreen for God only knows what, right?
Why would the PAC 12 convene a committee to vet expansion candidates, and set a date to announce their decision if they weren't going to expand and were just going to let their conference die a peaceful death? B1G fans are so freaking full of themselves.
Did someone just get their hand slapped?
@ImperialCyclone, how would you construct or rate ML algorithms for ISU this year?
@ImperialCyclone, how would you construct or rate ML algorithms for ISU this year?
There are probably 8 schools in the SEC who can be a perennial top 10 team if they hire the right coach: Bama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, A&M, OU, Texas and Tennessee. They all have great traditions and don't have to go far to recruit great football players. Also seems like Auburn catches lighting in a bottle a couple times a decade.
In 2021, I would put OU at #2 because they have a solid returning QB. Every other school on that list is replacing their 2020 QB except Georgia and Daniels only started a handful of games last year. Sure most of those schools should be able to reload- but look at what happened to LSU after Burrow left.
