Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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Skeptical Clark sees both of those stats and needs to see some evidence. The wording "has access to" in particular makes me think someone is playing some games with numbers.

According to this there are nearly 100MM Amazon Prime subscribers in the USA. Out of about 130MM households. https://fortune.com/2020/01/16/amazon-prime-subscriptions/ Thats over 70% of the country. It’s a few million more households than have a cable package with ESPN on it.

I’m sure fewer than 100MM have ever watched Prime Video but they have access to it. They are paying for it.
 

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The bolded is where the Irate8 (or at least some of them) could add value to the Pac12, increasing inventory in favorable time slots. And more interest in those games could increase interest in the league overall and thus evening games (a bit of a stretch, but possible).

Here's a question - where does (will) Amazon Prime fit in these tiers? Are they T2? Or are they down in T3 land? It would make a big difference in what they can affordably pay for content.

Technically, I suppose, they are none of the above and all of the above at the same time. Tiers are more about the value of the game than the channel. The main channels just only broadcast the big games, and all the crap games end up on the lower tiers. When BTN launched it let the Big Ten monetize a ton of games that used to never see the light of day - hence the creation of tier three.

Amazon has 220m prime members, which is pretty close to how many households the T1 channels receive, but they are also structured to handle both major streams (TNF) and minor ones (MLB). Amazon could either take it all, or they could probably work a deal with Fox/CBS to put the best game on the main channel and stream it, then Amazon streams all the other games.

Not sure its how they'll do it, but Amazon is kind of set up to be a sports wholesaler too. They could buy the inventory and stream it all. Or they could stream most of it and make deals with channels at a discount. I don't think they'll just dip their toe in the water with the beat up B12 though. If they get involved I think they'll be buying hundreds of games at once and building a streaming infrastructure around it. The Big 12 schools may be a part of that mix, but they won't be trailblazers. For less than the price of two TNFs they could own the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12, with money left over.
 

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Technically, I suppose, they are none of the above and all of the above at the same time. Tiers are more about the value of the game than the channel. The main channels just only broadcast the big games, and all the crap games end up on the lower tiers. When BTN launched it let the Big Ten monetize a ton of games that used to never see the light of day - hence the creation of tier three.

Amazon has 220m prime members, which is pretty close to how many households the T1 channels receive, but they are also structured to handle both major streams (TNF) and minor ones (MLB). Amazon could either take it all, or they could probably work a deal with Fox/CBS to put the best game on the main channel and stream it, then Amazon streams all the other games.

Not sure its how they'll do it, but Amazon is kind of set up to be a sports wholesaler too. They could buy the inventory and stream it all. Or they could stream most of it and make deals with channels at a discount. I don't think they'll just dip their toe in the water with the beat up B12 though. If they get involved I think they'll be buying hundreds of games at once and building a streaming infrastructure around it. The Big 12 schools may be a part of that mix, but they won't be trailblazers. For less than the price of two TNFs they could own the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12, with money left over.
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According to this there are nearly 100MM Amazon Prime subscribers in the USA. Out of about 130MM households. https://fortune.com/2020/01/16/amazon-prime-subscriptions/ Thats over 70% of the country. It’s a few million more households than have a cable package with ESPN on it.

I’m sure fewer than 100MM have ever watched Prime Video but they have access to it. They are paying for it.
I have only one pay streaming service - Amazon Prime. I watch it some but not with any regularity. It's certainly not problem to watch anything I want to stream on there. Watched a lot of Thursday NFL on Prime. I'm probably pretty average for a 65 YO American as far as tech stuff. Certain not a trend setter or big subscriber to streaming (obviously) but sure, sign me up to watch ISU football on Amazon.
 
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According to this there are nearly 100MM Amazon Prime subscribers in the USA. Out of about 130MM households. https://fortune.com/2020/01/16/amazon-prime-subscriptions/ Thats over 70% of the country. It’s a few million more households than have a cable package with ESPN on it.

I’m sure fewer than 100MM have ever watched Prime Video but they have access to it. They are paying for it.
The base membership sucks, however. Mostly it allows you to see what they'd rather charge you for! Already having it will make it slightly easier to pay a ton for all this future programming I suppose.
 

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What if a streaming service picked up the BIG12 and proceeded to give everyone a 2:30 kick time?

Haha!

When you are streaming games, kickoff times can be whatever the AD's of the school want them to be to maximize revenue for the game. Not confined to a fixed number of tv slots.
 
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If they get involved I think they'll be buying hundreds of games at once and building a streaming infrastructure around it. The Big 12 schools may be a part of that mix, but they won't be trailblazers. For less than the price of two TNFs they could own the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12, with money left over.
The issue with Amazon partnering with the B10 and P12 is that both already have conference-owned streaming platforms with BTN and PACN. I don't see any chance that the B10 offloads inventory from BTN to Prime. I could see Amazon (or Apple) either buying PACN or making it worthwhile for the P12 to completely decommission it.

It will be interesting to see how the new B10 deals shake out. Will ESPN continue to get some T1 and T2 inventory? I think they may get cut out and Fox will buy all of it and B10 games will be on Fox, FS1 and BTN. And if that happens, will Fox have enough cash to bid on the P12 and/or B12? I kind of doubt they will and this is where I think the odds are decent that the P12 and B12 aggregate their inventory for bid amongst Amazon, Apple+, CBS/Paramount+ and NBC/Peacock.
 
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Relegation would be really interesting, but there's no way the mid-tier type schools in P5s (much less the bottom feeders like KU or Vandy) would EVER vote for it. You have nothing to gain and EVERYTHING to lose. I cannot imagine this happening in CFB.
The current transfer rules would likely make relegation a death penalty. Plus, if you get relegated does your school switch to a MAC payout? With European soccer most of your players are probably under contract and with a couple of acquisitions that returning bunch may be able to play their way back up within a year or two. But if most of the best players on a college team immediately transfer out after relegation can you recover?
 
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When you are streaming games, kickoff times can be whatever the AD's of the school want them to be to maximize revenue for the game. Not confined to a fixed number of tv slots.
And after you finish going to your game you head back to your tailgate and binge watch the rest of the conference games...
 
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The issue with Amazon partnering with the B10 and P12 is that both already have conference-owned streaming platforms with BTN and PACN. I don't see any chance that the B10 offloads inventory from BTN to Prime. I could see Amazon (or Apple) either buying PACN or making it worthwhile for the P12 to completely decommission it.

It will be interesting to see how the new B10 deals shake out. Will ESPN continue to get some T1 and T2 inventory? I think they may get cut out and Fox will buy all of it and B10 games will be on Fox, FS1 and BTN. And if that happens, will Fox have enough cash to bid on the P12 and/or B12? I kind of doubt they will and this is where I think the odds are decent that the P12 and B12 aggregate their inventory for bid amongst Amazon, Apple+, CBS/Paramount+ and NBC/Peacock.

True, but I think without some drastic changes the PACN is nearing the end like the LHN. I'd be surprised if it survives the next round. As for BTN+, probably right, but there is still a lot of other inventory Amazon won't want, namely all the Olympic sports. Moving football off those platforms won't put a sizable dent in their total streaming content, especially if they have the rights to stream the replays.
 

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True, but I think without some drastic changes the PACN is nearing the end like the LHN. I'd be surprised if it survives the next round. As for BTN+, probably right, but there is still a lot of other inventory Amazon won't want, namely all the Olympic sports. Moving football off those platforms won't put a sizable dent in their total streaming content, especially if they have the rights to stream the replays.

Sure they might. If there is an Iowa State (or "Big12") Conference channel.

Remember Amazon Prime (media business) is a small part of Amazon's revenue. Their goal would be drive as much traffic to Amazon Prime platform because they will use it to sell you everything from deodorant to laptop computers on the Amazon website during events. You will probably get a banner to buy a pizza too.
 
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According to this there are nearly 100MM Amazon Prime subscribers in the USA. Out of about 130MM households. https://fortune.com/2020/01/16/amazon-prime-subscriptions/ Thats over 70% of the country. It’s a few million more households than have a cable package with ESPN on it.

I’m sure fewer than 100MM have ever watched Prime Video but they have access to it. They are paying for it.


Sorry there is zero chance 70 percent of the country/households have Amazon Prime
 
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Yes, that's the guy. Maybe best to keep his interviews to gambling and analytics.

He's got the formula for the playoff downpat. He'll be able to tell you with who is where before the committee makes their announcement.

The reason he talks about TCU being a surprise? Coach Patterson has a +coaching effect. He regularly beats teams with better recruits. TCU also recruits ok. Combine those two things and that should get you wins. He looks at the talent on the rosters.
They put out their win totals for teams in like March or May and do pretty darn well...all based on analytics.

Yes, ISU stacks up well vs Pac 12 schools but does ISU bring enough value to increase the payouts for each school? That's what matters. If each Pac school is getting $25 million/year right now, ISU would need to bring in at least $25 million in value annually just to keep their payouts the same. Ideally they'd want their payouts to increase no? In reality ISU would need to add at least $38 million/year so each team, including ISU would get a net $1 million more. How many schools out there can do that?
 
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Duh!


And some people don’t believe these morons have agendas.. Not a single school in the country has as many All-Americans on this list as Iowa State does, yet this pin-head throws mentions Texas.

i guess CBS will keep pushing the SEC while they have them, while ignoring the SEC/ESPN knife in their back.
 
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Duh!
Considering the steady flow of dumb takes and consistently drawing terrible conclusions from vague information, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he will not be ashamed of putting out dumb information.

So a 10-team league in the big 12 has the most first teamers. So, surely we should expect to see lots of articles on how the Big 12 this year has the highest concentration of talent in the country, right?
I hope someone tweeted this in response!
 
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With OTA, the game is just on and you flip past it and decide to stop and watch it, almost by accident.

With streaming, you have to know when and where it is on, and go find it on purpose.

The streamers are probably more valuable eyeballs, but there is still a huge difference in volume of viewers.
Yes and no. You would have to open the stream, but if it becomes standard fare that Amazon is streaming CFB on Saturday afternoons, I would probably open Prime and view what my viewing options are. Not really any harder or different than going to "cable" (I use Sling). Prime would group and list the CFB games in one section. It wouldn't be like you have to search through 1000s of listings to find the games.
 
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Sorry there is zero chance 70 percent of the country/households have Amazon Prime
There are approximately 127.59 million households in the U.S., according to the U.S. Census Bureau. As many Prime customers share their memberships with their households, Amazon’s foothold on U.S. shopping may be much stronger than just its membership number. Factoring in the households number and the 105 million members suggests that 82% of households have a Prime account. (This does not take into account households that may have multiple individual Prime accounts.)

That's a digital media site I found. Sounds like a bit of a guess but 70 isn't far off either and it could be low!
 
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And after you finish going to your game you head back to your tailgate and binge watch the rest of the conference games...

And whenever you go back and re-watch a game, you get fresh ads delivered to you for Amazon to sell.
 

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