Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[AuH2O]

The BTAA isn't about a "sports conference". $10.5 billion in funded research to member schools. It's about collaboration, partnerships and shared resources across schools.

https://www.btaa.org/docs/default-source/reports/annual-report-2017-2018.pdf?sfvrsn=96c349f3_4

Dude, that’s what the member schools got in funding. Read what they actually do. I have worked with UW, UofI, Illinois, Minnesota on big federal grants. The individual universities do everything, and they have people at their universities doing everything the same as their ISU counterpart, and the individual faculty have to go get their own funding. The BTAA isn’t funding or going out to get funding for the schools. It’s just pooling resources to gain efficiency for stuff like like shared licensing, procurement economies of scale. The fact that they save a few bucks on copyright licenses and journal and software subscriptions doesn’t have any impact on that. I know how this **** works, and they say exactly what they do. The big 10 institutions are the house and the BTAA are a few packs of LED bulbs that make the house operate a little bit cheaper.

 

[mattyheiden]

So we should see Nebraska rocketing up the charts relative to its non-B1G peers over the last decade? Of course, this didn’t happen.

The collaborative benefits have been enormous for UNL. Plus they joined the heavily funded cancer research program within the consortium in the last couple years

 

[BCClone]

I think the insecurity is coming from the other direction. I already said there’s plenty of potential for growth if ISU is invited into the Big 10. I referred to the other schools in the original post mostly because of the disparity in the Big 12 tv contract, yet some people choose to be sensitive about it.

I’m also not sure why anyone clings to the enrollment numbers. They’re meaningless but seems to be a weird fixation for some. UCF is the largest university in Florida but it’s hardly the flagship school. As for facilities, I’ll let other people argue that one.

I’m confused about how you derived any of those “points or fixations” from my post? You like to use they and we back and forth. Just be honest and say you are a Hawkeye fan.

 

[mattyheiden]

I’ve never denied anything. I’m an alumni of both schools (and a third). They’re both state schools with their own designated purposes and functions.

 

[blackuniforms]

i can’t even win that with you around

Ok, 3rd

 

[Cyclones1969]

Ok, 3rd

a very very distant third. Like as far as the distance between Kirk and integrity

 

[AuH2O]

The collaborative benefits have been enormous for UNL. Plus they joined the heavily funded cancer research program within the consortium in the last couple years

Their year over year and decade over decade increases in external funding are less than ISUs.

 

[StLouisClone]

Iowa State has momentum in football, and that's why it's so frustrating that the remaining 8 are being lumped together and being given little respect by the national talking heads. So we need to keep the momentum going. IF ISU finishes in the Top 10 for the 2nd straight season, I think it will be hard for the media to say with a straight face that ISU doesn't belong in the P4/P5. There will no doubt be some media personalities who continue to frustrate us but I think we will also see some influential voices who come to ISU"s defense (maybe even Herbstreit).

I think ISU fans can also go on offense. Show up in huge numbers at opposing stadiums. Show up with signs on College GameDay each week. And most importantly, keep winning.

 

[jctisu]

One thing all of us Cyclone fans (and I am right there with you doing it too) touting the last few years of tv ratings and numbers need to remember is networks project years down the road. We have been successful under Campbell the last few years now, so the ratings are looking good and the trajectory with Campbell here can continue to look that way.

However, everyone outside of Ames/Cyclone Nation is under the impression that Matt Campbell and Co. are out the door any second now, and aside from this little blip of 4-5 years, we have been historically awful at football. It's that dark cloud of "when will Campbell leave?" that really does hurt because he's the only one who has shown you can win like this at Iowa State.

Just trying to bring some level-headedness to the whole current tv ratings thing and how it works. The one good thing is we HAVE shown now what success on the field at ISU translates to for ratings, so we are in a better spot than years past for sure.

 

[Pope]

That’s because ISU outgrew it’s residential capabilities during that enrollment drive a few years back. There were people in temporary housing and sleeping in dorm lounges for a period. I think in normal years, athletic success would have at least a measurable impact on enrollment

That has not been the case. If you look at the historical data, you'll find there has never really been a strong correlation between enrollment and athletic success.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Research grants have absolutely nothing to do with football. Not one iota. Enrollment has a relatively weak correlation with power 5 status. It’s actually cost of tuition that has the biggest impact. Will our athletics department suffer? Absolutely. We will have to pause all facilities upgrades and won’t be able to keep Campbell and crew. Recruiting will suffer. But ISU academics will not take a hit.
I’m as big of a Debbie Downer as there is, but even I think this is crap.

Key takeaway I have is no other conferences want any of the B12 schools. That signals to us that we have to start formulating a plan for life in the “G5”. Donation increases? More sponsorships? Booze at games? All of it needs to be explored.

This could not be more wrong, both the Pac 12 and Big 10 will be redoing their TV contracts in 2022/23, there is no rush right now to add teams. Pollard himself said this is going to take time and we must be patient.
Just because conferences are not rushing out to pick off school right now means little to nothing. If we are sitting here in the same boat in 2024 then we are in trouble, but not until then.

Why would the Pac 12 NOT expand, they are last in the money given out to schools in the conference and are struggling with both attendence and TV ratings. By doing nothing, they risk that they will lose their most valuable schools to the Big 10, they have to understand that fact, and they see adding 4 to 6 schools from the old Big 12 not only gets them into the Central time zone for their Pac. 12 network, but also into the Texas and Oklahoma for recruiting. Adding ISU, OSU, KSU or KU and TT would bring in schools that would be in the top fourth to the top half in attendence for their league.

They have to expand or they are going to end up just like the Big 12, and they have to understand that.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

This could not be more wrong, both the Pac 12 and Big 10 will be redoing their TV contracts in 2022/23, there is no rush right now to add teams. Pollard himself said this is going to take time and we must be patient.
Just because conferences are not rushing out to pick off school right now means little to nothing. If we are sitting here in the same boat in 2024 then we are in trouble, but not until then.

Why would the Pac 12 NOT expand, they are last in the money given out to schools in the conference and are struggling with both attendence and TV ratings. By doing nothing, they risk that they will lose their most valuable schools to the Big 10, they have to understand that fact, and they see adding 4 to 6 schools from the old Big 12 not only gets them into the Central time zone for their Pac. 12 network, but also into the Texas and Oklahoma for recruiting. Adding ISU, OSU, KSU or KU and TT would bring in schools that would be in the top fourth to the top half in attendence for their league.

They have to expand or they are going to end up just like the Big 12, and they have to understand that.

This is a fair point. The key take away is none of the conferences are interested in expanding now. I don’t know if a life raft will ever come, but that is just my opinion. I think we need to be prepared just in case one never arrives.

 

[Pope]

This is a fair point. The key take away is none of the conferences are interested in expanding now. I don’t know if a life raft will ever come, but that is just my opinion. I think we need to be prepared just in case one never arrives.

As long as you're posting on this message board, I'm very confident we'll be prepared for the worst possible scenario.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

This is a fair point. The key take away is none of the conferences are interested in expanding now. I don’t know if a life raft will ever come, but that is just my opinion. I think we need to be prepared just in case one never arrives.

But expanding NOW does not matter, the schools in the Big 12 including OU and UT are locked in for the 21/22 and 22/23 seasons at the least. OUT cannot leave for at least 18 month, that gets them to Feb. 2023, no school is going to leave in the middle of the basketball season. So we are fine until then, same money coming in.
By 2023 the Pac 12 and Big 10 will be redoing their contracts, once those are completed then we will know one way or another. I would not surprise me that when the Pac 12 runs the number, Fox is going to be pushing for them to enlarge the footprint of their conference and expand. They almost have to, otherwise they will end up losing USC and others in the conference.

We have plenty of time, years to be exact and the money will be there, that is what the conference letter to ESPN was all about, insuring that if they try to cut back on the deal, the league has the goods to sue the heck out them and win.

 

[NorthCyd]

That has not been the case. If you look at the historical data, you'll find there has never really been a strong correlation between enrollment and athletic success.

Maybe you have something more recent that disputes this, but this says otherwise:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...etic-success-boosts-college-applications/amp/

 

[Pope]

What I'm saying is that if you look at Iowa State's enrollment history over the last 50 years and compare it with our football records over the last 50 years, you'll find there is no significant correlation between the two.

 

[HouClone]

ISU seems to be right up there in top 50 in viewership. I’m not sure how much of that is related to playing Oklahoma, Texas and Iowa. These are numbers from 2015-2019. 2020 isn’t included.

Which college football programs bring in the most TV viewers?

TV viewership isn’t always the best way to measure a college football program’s value. But here’s how each school ranks since 2015.

medium.com

The below article compares Big 12 members viewership on Fox/ ESPN/ ABC from 2017 to 2020.. ISU is much better than the 2015-2019 list. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spo...tractive-tv-networks-ou-texas-sec/5386994001/

Non-OU/Texas games
1. TCU 1.86M (14 games)
2. OSU 1.74M (22 games)
3. Iowa State 1.6M (15 games)
4. West Virginia 1.56M (22 games)
5. Texas Tech 1.56 (11 games)
6. Kansas State 1.31M (14 games)
7. Baylor 1.14M (eight games)
8. Kansas 0.97M (four games)

 

[mattyheiden]

That has not been the case. If you look at the historical data, you'll find there has never really been a strong correlation between enrollment and athletic success.

https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1333&context=senior_theses

The Importance of College Athletic Programs to Universities

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Saban's Football Success Boosts Enrollment

Robert Witt was president of the University of Alabama in 2007 when the school signed Nick Saban to an eye-popping, eight-year, $32 million deal.

www.athleticbusiness.com

https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1371&context=fnce_papers

The Flutie Effect: The Influence of College Football Upsets and National Championships on the Quantity and Quality of Students at a University - ProQuest

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Butler University's Strategic Rise to National Prominence | Volt

This podcast episode explores how Butler University's investment in its men's basketball team boosted admissions and enrollment.

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'Saban Effect' contributes to university growth

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[AuH2O]

https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1333&context=senior_theses

The Importance of College Athletic Programs to Universities

The Importance of College Athletic Programs to Universities. College athletics programs represent a multibillion dollar industry and are integrally linked to school branding and reputation. And while individual sports programs -- even in Division I school

education.seattlepi.com

Saban's Football Success Boosts Enrollment

Robert Witt was president of the University of Alabama in 2007 when the school signed Nick Saban to an eye-popping, eight-year, $32 million deal.

www.athleticbusiness.com

https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1371&context=fnce_papers

The Flutie Effect: The Influence of College Football Upsets and National Championships on the Quantity and Quality of Students at a University - ProQuest

Explore millions of resources from scholarly journals, books, newspapers, videos and more, on the ProQuest Platform.

www.proquest.com

Butler University's Strategic Rise to National Prominence | Volt

This podcast episode explores how Butler University's investment in its men's basketball team boosted admissions and enrollment.

voltedu.com

'Saban Effect' contributes to university growth

Many people are familiar with the “Flutie Effect:” the phenomenon of having a successful college sports team, specifically a football or basketball team, leading to increased exposure for the university and in turn higher revenues, enrollment and overall growth. The phenomenon is named after...

cw.ua.edu

How College Life is affected by Athletics – Civic Issues Blog – Athletics on Campus

Staples: Nick Saban's salary is one of the biggest bargains in sports (the numbers don't lie)

Most college football coaches aren’t worth it, but — from titles to tuition — Saban is worth every penny he gets from Alabama.

theathletic.com

The one article basically says the Flutie effect, or impact of sports on enrollment is questionable and does not seem to last.
As for the two comparisons- Butler and Alabama, since Butlers final fours ISUs growth in enrollment is more than double theirs between 2011-2019. ISUs growth is about 1.5x that of Alabama’s during that same period.

There are certainly impacts, and it has effects on things like endowments, but I think the effects by sports media and sports fans is overstated.

 

[cycloneworld]

The below article compares Big 12 members viewership on Fox/ ESPN/ ABC from 2017 to 2020.. ISU is much better than the 2015-2019 list. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spo...tractive-tv-networks-ou-texas-sec/5386994001/

Non-OU/Texas games
1. TCU 1.86M (14 games)
2. OSU 1.74M (22 games)
3. Iowa State 1.6M (15 games)
4. West Virginia 1.56M (22 games)
5. Texas Tech 1.56 (11 games)
6. Kansas State 1.31M (14 games)
7. Baylor 1.14M (eight games)
8. Kansas 0.97M (four games)

Interesting. It would be cool to see how that compares across conferences.

The Athletic did an interesting piece on 4 million+ viewers games across conferences. The Big 12 was essentially 3rd if you take ND away from the ACC. But with out OU/Texas, the Big 12 had just two games that hit those numbers. That’s why none of the remaining 8 are in high demand.

Staples: Why would the Big Ten form an alliance with the ACC and Pac-12? It’s all about TV’s ‘Four Million Club’

One way for conferences to get as much money as possible from TV? Get matchups that draw 4,000,000+.

theathletic.com