Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

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I'm told Big Ten is so much more interested in AAU schools than Pac-12 is. I'm told Kansas and Iowa State (both AAU members) "made a run at Big Ten, but I don't know if they'll get any place," Big 12 source says.

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I personally would be ecstatic with going to the PAC-12 assuming KU and KSU go to and we are aligned with them divisionally. We could run an “Eastern” division in FB.

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If they can’t get into B1G I assume Kansas will go ACC due to basketball. Along with WVU.
 

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If they’re proud to hold a unique position of only P5 in Mountain and Pacific time zones, I could see them wanting to expand east to the central zone to say “… only P5 in 3 time zones.” Plus they almost went to 16 teams ten years ago. Why not now? They need to spice it up (easily worst P5) and the new commish can make a huge splash quickly. Good for his PR.

It also gives them more inventory to put on entirely new timeslots. Right now they have 6 games/week max, and at least a couple are night games pacific time, ie minimal viewers east of the rockies. So you could add 2 more games per week and grab 11am or 2:30pm type slots. And to get those early slots you don't have to torture Oregon or UCLA with a 9am pacific start time. So you are getting inventory to sell, more prime timeslots, and a bit easier to fill those slots on your members.

I am coming around to ISU's worst case being to join the Pac12 East. Instead of having Cincy and Houston join the Formerly Big12.
 
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Maryland owes the Big 10 140 million which it borrowed against its future tv rights as you say.

That 70 million number would be lower if the league expands, if you move from 14 to 16 teams then there is also going to be more money coming in. Now is it 70 million, no, but there would be an increase there, just for having more content to sell to the consumer.

There will be possibly more total revenue coming in, but I hate to say it, if the B10 is not adding someone like ND, the presidents are not going to vote to decrease their individual revenue shares, especially in today's economy.
 
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It also gives them more inventory to put on entirely new timeslots. Right now they have 6 games/week max, and at least a couple are night games pacific time, ie minimal viewers east of the rockies. So you could add 2 more games per week and grab 11am or 2:30pm type slots. And to get those early slots you don't have to torture Oregon or UCLA with a 9am pacific start time. So you are getting inventory to sell, more prime timeslots, and a bit easier to fill those slots on your members.

I am coming around to ISU's worst case being to join the Pac12 East. Instead of having Cincy and Houston join the Formerly Big12.
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This but ISU and KSU instead of Boise and Houston.
 

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I personally would be ecstatic with going to the PAC-12 assuming KU and KSU go to and we are aligned with them divisionally. We could run an “Eastern” division in FB.

ISU
KU
KSU
CU
AZ
ASU (if they survive)
OkieSt
TTU

At this point this is what I'm hoping for... Ideally obviously the B1G, just having trouble getting too optimistic about that.
 
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You made two great points, the only schools that bring fans to JTS are UT, OU and KSU, the rest of the conference might bring a few hundred at most. The majority of the games its just ISU fans. 21st in attendence, which places us right behind EIU which was 20th.

2nd point when you read about the value of the teams tv ratings a little closer, the data was taken from the 2018 and 2019 season, FOX and ESPN chose either OU or UT for 33 of the 38 games to be broadcast on the main network. Well games on the main network always out draw teams on the side networks, so you are really not comparing the same thing. Look at any week of games and the games on the major networks always outdraw the secondary games on BTN or ESPN's other channels. After looking at the numbers its not as bad as the numbers look, it would be interesting to see how the 5 games that did not include either UT or OU drew for ratings. Without those numbers we really cannot make a good comparison to the value of the other 8 schools.
Also important to note trends. ISU's attendance and TV trends are positive while CFB as a whole are not good.

Basically ad value for a team comes down to how popular the team is. TV and attendance give us that. Sure, there are some teams where attendance doesn't correlate great with their brand value, but that argument probably only holds water with Miami and USC. Not sure it applies with anybody else.

Also, I don't think AD budget is a valid metric. Most of it is media contracts, which is driven by the big dogs in the conference they're in. The rest is donations, which they aren't redistributing. Donations enable a school to maybe endure some worse conference entry conditions, but that's it.

What attendance and TV viewership suggests that in terms of media value:
- The bottom half to 1/3 of the ACC and PAC are really low value.
- The B10s top (OSU, UM, PSU) are great, the mid-tier is solid, the bottom 5 or so are bad.

If these metrics are reasonable indicators, ISU would be a mid-tier Big 10 team, and mid-upper PAC or ACC team.

I know that people have whatever outdated feelings about "brand," but actual metrics suggest ISU is more valuable than a lot of teams considered to be safe, and ISU is trending in the right direction.

Two final caveats:
1. The old cable satellite "market size" value is going away, but it's not gone yet. So that is a negative, particularly in the near-term for ISU.
2. We know that football is the driver, but MBB viewership and valuable still is a factor in the total media contracts. Despite ISU sucking for two years, it still delivers above average value here.
 

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There will be possibly more total revenue coming in, but I hate to say it, if the B10 is not adding someone like ND, the presidents are not going to vote to decrease their individual revenue shares, especially in today's economy.
One would think we would've learned something already. The conferences are run by the networks. If they want more content, the conferences have to comply. Even if it means taking a reduction per team. There's little to no doubt ESPN was behind everything that has just transpired. Other networks have gone on record they want more content. So, there you have it. And, let's not forget: in this age of entertainment CFB does not require networks to fork out massive production costs.
 

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There will be possibly more total revenue coming in, but I hate to say it, if the B10 is not adding someone like ND, the presidents are not going to vote to decrease their individual revenue shares, especially in today's economy.
Notre Dame will not make any changes. Their set up is perfect right now. They won’t leave the ACC because the ACC allows them to stay independent for football and they keep their entire network share with NBC. There is nothing the B1G provides other than better opponents but being independent they can control that themselves.
 

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There is long term risk for Iowa State if they remain in the Big 12 through 2025, as per the OU and Texas letter today. This does not provide us with any stability, including economic. I still recommend kicking OU and TX out of the conference now, this week. Trade short-term spite and upheaval for the money we may or may not see a few years from now.
 

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It also gives them more inventory to put on entirely new timeslots. Right now they have 6 games/week max, and at least a couple are night games pacific time, ie minimal viewers east of the rockies. So you could add 2 more games per week and grab 11am or 2:30pm type slots. And to get those early slots you don't have to torture Oregon or UCLA with a 9am pacific start time. So you are getting inventory to sell, more prime timeslots, and a bit easier to fill those slots on your members.

I am coming around to ISU's worst case being to join the Pac12 East. Instead of having Cincy and Houston join the Formerly Big12.

While not Kansas City, the PAC-12 basketball tourney is in Las Vegas. Not a bad place to visit in March, and football in Vegas too for 2021.
 

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There is long term risk for Iowa State if they remain in the Big 12 through 2025, as per the OU and Texas letter today. This does not provide us with any stability, including economic. I still recommend kicking OU and TX out of the conference now, this week. Trade short-term spite and upheaval for the money we may or may not see a few years from now.
No one, including Jamie and every other AD in the “Big 8” think that this is going to 2025, but they get some sort of money if they wait some time and that will help every school substantially while they find new homes. And no, I want to beat both of those pretentious douche bag schools this year and let them limp into the SEC.
 

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There is long term risk for Iowa State if they remain in the Big 12 through 2025, as per the OU and Texas letter today. This does not provide us with any stability, including economic. I still recommend kicking OU and TX out of the conference now, this week. Trade short-term spite and upheaval for the money we may or may not see a few years from now.
The conference will not be together until 2025. We will not kick Tx and OU out.

The remaining 8 teams want to collect the exit fees (like $155M or something ridiculous) Tx and OU will owe to buy out the remaining years. Kicking them out may void that (guess). Tx and OU will not wait around until 2025 either. They want this done ASAP.

All of the recent statements are politics, public relations, and covering grounds in case of future law suits.
 

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