Is Monte the Real GOAT of ISU MBB?

[clone2003]

Is Monte the Real GOAT of ISU MBB?

Year	Team	GP	GS	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	PPG
2013–14	Iowa State	36	17	28.1	.430	.406	.847	2.6	3.7	1.3	.2	6.8
2014–15	Iowa State	34	34	33.9	.507	.395	.753	3.4	5.2	1.9	.4	11.9
2015–16	Iowa State	35	35	38.0	.487	.358	.729	3.9	6.9	1.8	.3	13.8
2016–17	Iowa State	35	35	35.3	.465	.378	.802	4.8	6.2	1.5	.3	16.4
Career	140	121	33.8	.476	.381	.780	3.7	5.5	1.6	.3	12.2

 

[CloneGuy8]

Grayer, IMO

 

[Rabbuk]

Maybe if taking into account pro production

 

[mj4cy]

Fizer/Grayer take your pick.

 

[cmjh10]

Ellerman

 

[Jer]

I think there is a very strong case to be made that he and Niang together created the best duo, but separately they are also in the Top 5 all time. Niang is probably the best character and personality but behind Monte on pure skill.

I have a hard time ever saying somebody is the GOAT because situations, skill sets, eras, etc make it nearly impossible to say definitively, not to mention everybody values different qualities. With that said, I think Monte is as strong of candidate as any.

 

[HFCS]

He's easily the most underrated in the convo.

I go back to 95 and I'd call him most valuable over the course of his entire career in past 25 years. It's close but I'd go with him.

Fizer junior year best single season in that range, that's much easier to pick.

 

[Drew0311]

Grayer although Monte might end up being the second best pro, behind Horny

 

[Jer]

Fizer/Grayer take your pick.

I absolutely loved Fizer but I think how huge of a bust he was in the NBA diminished the memories for some. Similar to Troy Davis and Royce White - they are all legends, but don’t always get talked about with the same respect by many because of the bitter aftertaste of their pro letdowns. I don’t think it should be that way, but I think to some it is that way.

 

[Busch__Latte]

I mean, he had a fantastic career, one of the best in program history, but he's not the best player in program history. I would pick Fizer or Niang.

 

[HFCS]

Maybe if taking into account pro production

Hornacek comes in then.

 

[clone2003]

Tinsley was undefeated in Hilton and with Fizer led Clones to door step of Final Four. Both Tinsley teams were No. 2 seeds in the NCAA Tourney. Tinsley underrated?

 

[mynameisjonas]

Hester

 

[HFCS]

Tinsley was undefeated in Hilton and with Fizer led Clones to door step of Final Four. Both Tinsley teams were No. 2 seeds in the NCAA Tourney. Tinsley underrated?

I think it'd easily be him if he had another season or two.

The fact that Tinsley refocused and came back for second wind nba career just a few years back shows what a rare talent he was.

Ejim is an interesting one given the program completely turned around and his senior year was one of the best single seasons statistically.

 

[jsb]

I don’t know. There are cases to be made for grayer, Fizer, Georges and monte.


But my personal favorite might be monte. I love georges and the others. But monte is kind of an underdog among our fans base.

My favorite monte story is how pissed he was once they signed Kane. But he didn’t pout publicly, he just came out and made himself indispensable to the team. Same thing with the NBA. He was drafted rediculously low but just went to work, paid his dues in the G league, and became one of the best back up point guards.

 

[jsb]

Hornacek comes in then.

Hornacek is easily the best NBA player to come from Iowa stars so far.

 

[JP4CY]

I don’t know. There are cases to be made for grayer, Fizer, Georges and monte.


But my personal favorite might be monte. I love georges and the others. But monte is kind of an underdog among our fans base.

My favorite monte story is how pissed he was once they signed Kane. But he didn’t pout publicly, he just came out and made himself indispensable to the team. Same thing with the NBA. He was drafted rediculously low but just went to work, paid his dues in the G league, and became one of the best back up point guards.

Kane was essential to Monte's growth IMO.
Called him freshman all year long in practice and played against him HARD.

 

[HFCS]

I don’t know. There are cases to be made for grayer, Fizer, Georges and monte.


But my personal favorite might be monte. I love georges and the others. But monte is kind of an underdog among our fans base.

My favorite monte story is how pissed he was once they signed Kane. But he didn’t pout publicly, he just came out and made himself indispensable to the team. Same thing with the NBA. He was drafted rediculously low but just went to work, paid his dues in the G league, and became one of the best back up point guards.

Fred made a brilliant decision to look at his all big 12 senior bulldog point guard...and go ahead and play a skinny freshman pure point guard right next to him. It's not like monte was Thomas where you thought pairing a sharp shooter with Kane. It was two pure point guards playing a ton of minutes together.

Maybe not the obvious thing, but the smart thing.

 

[HFCS]

Hornacek is easily the best NBA player to come from Iowa stars so far.

From all four programs in my lifetime. It's an interesting debate if you throw Iowa high school kids in there but I'd say he'd still edge out hinrich, collison, korver and barnes.

 

[Busch__Latte]

Tinsley was undefeated in Hilton and with Fizer led Clones to door step of Final Four. Both Tinsley teams were No. 2 seeds in the NCAA Tourney. Tinsley underrated?

No, I think him only playing 2 years has an effect on it.