Alternative Investment Ideas?

Clonedogg

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A majority of our long term assets 401k, IRA, HSA are tied to the stock market. I would like to diversify my assets, a little curious if anyone has any alternative investment ideas or experience (positive or negative)?

I have dipped my toe into Peer-to-Peer lending, no complaints so far. Some negatives are that assets are not liquid. Returns are decent early on but will trail off over time as a loan's principle declines. Although not directly tied to the market, if the economy is really bad, people could stop paying their lenders.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Been in quite a few. Best was oil/NG start up leasing that was a huge return with a short investment. Had some in oil drilling that was a complete flop. REITs have been rough in this environment. They fee like no other and like to change their story in the end. Best advice is that mutuals aren't sexy, but they will get the return that you probably want with better liquidity and less risk.

The only other place that might make sense to me is rental properties. They are decent long term plays generally if you get into one with decent bones and have a solid renter or string or renters.
 

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As others have said, real estate, either through reit, private equity, general partnership, or directly yourself.

If you want something different, try art. My wife and I put a couple thousand in pieces of art through Masterworks. Basically the company buys art pieces and then sells shares in it. They hold on to it for several years for it to potentially appreciate in value before selling it. The shares are you receive are registered with the SEC.
 
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I know it's another equity fund... But VWIGX had been amazing for me. A little higher expense ratio (0.43%). But long term, I'm really bullish on large cap international growth. I've got 25% of my invested assets their.

Unless you have a large block of capital to invest. Real Estate and equities are your best bets. If you do have let's say 1/2 milly or more to play with. There are some alternative lending games that are very exciting for returns. But they really pray on lower income and less financially literate individuals
 

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Been in quite a few. Best was oil/NG start up leasing that was a huge return with a short investment. Had some in oil drilling that was a complete flop. REITs have been rough in this environment. They fee like no other and like to change their story in the end. Best advice is that mutuals aren't sexy, but they will get the return that you probably want with better liquidity and less risk.

The only other place that might make sense to me is rental properties. They are decent long term plays generally if you get into one with decent bones and have a solid renter or string or renters.

Most of the self-made rich folks I know were real estate investors... Single and multi-family rentals - built and bought over years... They also did as much of the work themselves as possible including the 2am toilet clogged because we flushed a diaper phone calls that just happen. Great cash flow opportunities...

Something wife and i were looking at is building a duplex, keeping half for us and renting the other side out... Something small to start off with that produces a revenue stream off the bat.

Viaticals used to be a thing and with the virus and overall declining health (mental and physical) you could gamble on people dying earlier...
 

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Just put my life savings into masks and hand sanitizer. Initial reports are that I’m doing well.
 

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Drainage warrants
Like a municipal bond, 5-6% interest and federally tax exempt

and no one is going to default on a $1000 per acre assessment on $8000/ac land
 

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It might be a good time to buy those with the dip in demand. They will bounce back and be solid investments.
The commercial real estate market has forever changed with the realization during COVID that Work at Home (where possible) can be just as productive or moreso without paying for underutilized office space.

Also, I would suggest moving most of your portfolio from stocks to bonds/cash if it appears Biden will get elected.
 

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The commercial real estate market has forever changed with the realization during COVID that Work at Home (where possible) can be just as productive or moreso without paying for underutilized office space.

Also, I would suggest moving most of your portfolio from stocks to bonds/cash if it appears Biden will get elected.

Not cash, scented hair products.
 
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:eek: never heard of that before, not really sure what to think. Intriguing for sure.

My Dad was in insurance industry in the early 80s and while he didn't sell the products (he was in the commercial group side of things), lots of other agents did. Was supposed to be HUGE with the AIDS crisis and potential for untimely deaths... Ghoulish way to try and make a buck imho...

The "problem" was the high death counts came way down with all the new treatment options back then.
 

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The commercial real estate market has forever changed with the realization during COVID that Work at Home (where possible) can be just as productive or moreso without paying for underutilized office space.

Also, I would suggest moving most of your portfolio from stocks to bonds/cash if it appears Biden will get elected.


do you think employers will see that the overhead they are reducing by having people work at home and convert that into higher wages? HAHAHAHA in fantasy world. damn
 
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The commercial real estate market has forever changed with the realization during COVID that Work at Home (where possible) can be just as productive or moreso without paying for underutilized office space.

Also, I would suggest moving most of your portfolio from stocks to bonds/cash if it appears Biden will get elected.


i agree in regards to office space. It's forced companies to adapt. But office space is only one part of commercial real estate.
 

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Most of the self-made rich folks I know were real estate investors... Single and multi-family rentals - built and bought over years... They also did as much of the work themselves as possible including the 2am toilet clogged because we flushed a diaper phone calls that just happen. Great cash flow opportunities...

Something wife and i were looking at is building a duplex, keeping half for us and renting the other side out... Something small to start off with that produces a revenue stream off the bat.

Viaticals used to be a thing and with the virus and overall declining health (mental and physical) you could gamble on people dying earlier...

I have had some friends who went the slumlord route (and tried to get me to go along with them). Most of them regret it after years of doing it.

Dealing with tenants.
Finding new ones when the old ones leave or default.
Living with neighbors through your walls (if you live in one of your own units).
Dealing with the neighbors.
Dealing with petty town bureaucrats and even sometimes with the cops.
Fixing things at 2:00 AM.
Paying out the nose for repairs they cannot handle.
Complex tax and personal financial situation.
Average returns can look nice, but high standard deviation.
Can make bank or lose your shirt.
Throwing a TON of money into a single illiquid asset completely at the whims of the regional housing market (and I am talking ZIP code level).
Feels like having a second job sometimes.

One of them (more of an enemy than a friend, so this story amuses me) bought a rundown four-unit fixer-upper in a town that was potentially in line for a casino. He thought they would land it, the value would skyrocket, and he would pocket the difference. He spent all of his weekends and PTO for a summer fixing it up, got it going pretty nice, and... the town didn't get it, so the local real estate market stayed depressed.

He bailed soon thereafter. He roughly broke even between the cost of the property and the expenses incurred for fixing it up himself. He did not lose any money on the deal, but he did not claim any remuneration for the 200+ hours of work he put into it.

I am not sure it is worth it when the real return to equities in the long-term is superior to the real return to real estate. I kind of wonder what motivates the OP.

Don't trust the "market?" Think it is a "Wall Street casino?" Well, okay, but its historical performance is far better than all other options.

I would say it is different if it just more of a curiosity -- long as the core of the retirement strategy remains stocks and bonds like they should.
 
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