NO FANS AT CYCLONE GAMES?
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None, you have to offer 6 men's sports to be an NCAA member. They are at six right now unless indoor and outdoor track are counted separately. Then, they are at seven. In that case, they could cut one and it would be golf leaving football, basketball, wrestling, XC, track (in), track (out). Of those six, three all use the same 12.6 scholarships - XC, track(in/out). I don't believe in/out track are counted separately though, so ISU cannot cut a men's sport.
No that was strictly financial. Pollard has said many times they could bring back baseball right now with no title IX implications.
There is a reason why ASU has been named most innovative university like 10 years in a row. It's also not easy to set up the structure for online classes - schools that already have the institutional know-how like ASU will likely do very well in this time compared to many others. There is a market for online classes, but ISU is not currently set up to attract the #'s in that market to even remotely make up for the shortfall, I think that's obvious.
Undoubtedly they'll sue, but I'd expect a lock tight language basically absolving them also in the tailgate lots, and I think we'll see the conservative state government also enact protections. Again my own personal feelings don't align here but that's just my expectation.
you are a master of false equivalency. Grocery stores are required. Football is optional, maybe not optional from a revenue standpoint, I’ll give you that point, but definitely from a health perspective. Plus you are not acknowledging degrees of risk. Yes, being outside helps but limited contact with others FROM YOUR COMMUNITY for the most part for a 20 minute shopping trip is a lot different than sustained contact with people from all over the state. Yes, people make their own decisions but those decisions affect lots of others. By providing a venue for people from all over the state to make bad social contact decisions while tailgating and attending games ISU would be complicit with any health consequences.
Someone in here can correct me if I am wrong; but I believe the ISU Athletic Department has to maintain a certain number of varsity sports (plus title 9 requirements) in order to remain in NCAA division 1,Big12 (P5). Don't think anyone (fans, BOR, donors, Foundation, or administration peeps) would jeopardize that standing. I think this was an issue when they cancelled varsity Baseball and Men's swimming, which might have put them at the minimum.
Alumni would be most upset!
Let me explain further for you
Students once on campus many are there for weeks at at time, they are in a more controlled environment. Can some leave sure, but not all 30,000
You now want to bring in tens of thousands of people from outside this environment for a day or 2 .
Story county does not care about the fans attending, they do care about the fans attending and what they could bring in.
Covid protocol seems to be more about identifying hot spots and controlling them
Bring in thousands of fans from all over the state for a game would seem to go against it.
Thus the request made by the county board of health.
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Thanks for pointing this out, I must have missed something. I will revise. I believe expense were slightly less than income.
edit - triple checked, fixed original post
I missed :
Overhead and administration - 11M
Travel - 5M
It now adds up to 85M, by my count.
bottom line summary, the category totals, without rounding and including all the line items less than 500K says total income and total expenses are both about 89M. I think the surplus was something like 25K.
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The problem with Title 9 was that it forced the non revenue producing sports to be on an equal status and total number of students with the revenue producing sports of FB and MBB. No other sports makes money except those two.
The law should have been written much simpler, if the MBB flies to an away game in say Waco, then the WBB also flies to the game when they play there.
Either exempt the number of players required for football from the total, or change the law completely.
Everyone is for equal opportunity between men and woman, but its wrong that schools are forced to cut men's sports while creating woman's sports just because they have a football team, and its 85 students on scholarship. Hell EIU has woman's field hockey and crew, even though no high school in the state of Iowa fields a team for either sport. Why, to stay aligned with Title 9.
Indoor and Outdoor track are counted as two separate sports for program requirement purposes.
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Not if we want to stay Div I. We are pretty much at the minimum of Big 12 and Div 1 mandated number of sports. There are no sports to cut without a wholesale change to P5 league and NCAA rules.
It is obvious that we are not able to immediately pivot, I agree - however, almost every single university in the country who isn't ASU or UMass-style is facing the same issues. Here are a handful of articles about it:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/What-Covid-19-Computer-Models/249027
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...cation-enrollment-preparing-leaders-for-fall#
Cal State, the biggest public university in the nation, will be entirely remote this fall (other than a very few labs and clinicals): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/us/college-coronavirus-fall.html?auth=login-google
People are grossly overestimating the uniqueness of ISU's situation. I also wonder if anyone has done a study on the impact of not having people on-campus vs the estimated tuition decrease. You no longer need security guards, janitors, dorm workers, computer lab staff, and any other numbers of staff. It's arguably not good for the workers (although unemployment + the federal stimulus has been found to be better financially for some). However, for the overall financial health of the organization, there is an offset to the loss in revenue.
well they make a pretty good profit on residence halls I would imagine, most facilities have been paid for long ago. So not having bodies there would hurt
Most of the Cal State schools do not have large on campus residence, most are commuter schools. So for them there is not a huge loss when it comes to residency fee's.
Moving to online is not as big of a deal for them.
I guess I'm failing to say I understand the is risk with having football. I'm using Hy-Vee as the example to say we take risks everyday. This virus is very aggressive and it can be transmitted easily. So you take risk even doing essential activities. No one is forcing anyone to go to games.
The real world has to get back to a NEW NORMAL. Having 20%-50%, whatever the number is at Jack Trice will help the community recover economically. The health risks of COVID are never going away. We can't sit in our privileged suburban homes and wait this virus out until a vaccine comes along because that may NEVER come to be. So start with small crowds and build from there. We have the hospital capacity. We know younger and healthy people don't really need to worry. We know the old and sick need to be protected. We know testing needs to be better. Let's work on all of those things.
The housing loss is what is killer for other schools. I can't imagine ISU is much different.
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