Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[madguy30]

@knowlesjam

The NYC antibody data is embedded here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.amp.html

Looks like the post you were responding to had just a tiny little error. The antibody-positive rate for the Bronx was 27%, not 47%.

The overall antibody rate for NYC is still estimated at 20% positive. Still consistent with a fatality rate on the order of 0.5-1%. Which still would suggest a potential death toll of at least (330 million in US x 60% infection rate minimum needed for herd immunity x 0.5% conservative death rate=) 990,000 in the US before herd immunity could be achieved.

Lots of other very striking demographic data in the linked article: notably, only 7% of white NYC residents were positive for antibody, while 25% of Hispanic residents were positive. Yikes.

I think we're getting herd immunity mixed with social distancing. There's no way it's not spreading really fast as I've seen plenty of people not adhering to any sort of social distance guidelines.

Word was northern Wisconsin was slammed this weekend by all of the people traveling up for opening game fish season. That's just one example.

Positive: the local fishing stores needed the business. Negative: limited medical center capacity.

I also have some tin foil hat stuff going on that we're in a sort of 2nd wave, but that's not based on anything other than early dates of cases.

 

[cmjh10]

@cmjh10

This is what my farmer friends have told me. Less cost to dispose of and they don’t want to spend the money to feed them.
The finished hogs will be put on diet food to maintain weight, hoping the processing plants can get them in.

I work in the industry, there are a lot of markets pigs being euthanized as well. Every system is different, some are going to plan on having pigs ready in 6 months (euthanizing markets) some are maintaining the bigger pigs now ( euthanizing piglets)

 

[CycloneVet]

I don’t think PPE is that hard to get at this point. I haven’t even heard any doctors complain about lower PPE levels than what they think they should have for the past couple of weeks.

We can’t get surgical masks or gowns currently. I did look at getting a gown from Australia, it was going to cost me $180 for shipping etc.

 

[CycloneVet]

I don’t think PPE is that hard to get at this point. I haven’t even heard any doctors complain about lower PPE levels than what they think they should have for the past couple of weeks.

I am hoping there is a stockpile being hoarded by the federal government to send to hot areas, much like they did with the ventilators, that way they can be distributed as needed rather than the states hoarding them.

One good thing is I haven’t heard complaints of ventilator shortages recently. We must have done something right.

 

[CycloneVet]

I'm hoping we can also get enough tests that people like the gentleman in Marshalltown aren't rejected for medical care.
I'm hoping that we learn what treatments work and what treatments do not work, such as ventilators and other viral drugs.
I'm hoping we get our testing and tracing ability up to where we need it.

Is any of this going to sink in?

There is something fishy about the guy in Marshalltown, there just is. No hospital is going to deny treatment to that level especially with the likelihood of a lawsuit.

 

[CycloneVet]

That's absolutely no excuse for our so called leaders. WHY did we waste well over a month of precious time when our own intelligence people were giving out dire warnings about this deadly and rapidly spreading virus? That has NOTHING to do with China or the WHO.

So travel bans from China don’t count as a response. That is unprecedented isn’t it?

 

[madguy30]

Need more and for widespread use.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-antibody-test-more-99-141057975.html

 

[simply1]

I am hoping there is a stockpile being hoarded by the federal government to send to hot areas, much like they did with the ventilators, that way they can be distributed as needed rather than the states hoarding them.

One good thing is I haven’t heard complaints of ventilator shortages recently. We must have done something right.

You can’t tell states they are on their own and then confiscated stuff from them.

 

[CycloneVet]

I am hoping there is a stockpile being hoarded by the federal government to send to hot areas, much like they did with the ventilators, that way they can be distributed as needed rather than the states hoarding them.

One good thing is I haven’t heard complaints of ventilator shortages recently. We must have done something right.

@simply1 just curious what you thought was dumb? It’s true that certain states were hoarding ventilators, I guarantee it is happening with PPE

 

[simply1]

@simply1 just curious what you thought was dumb? It’s true that certain states were hoarding ventilators, I guarantee it is happening with PPE

I responded to this post.

 

[BCClone]

@simply1 just curious what you thought was dumb? It’s true that certain states were hoarding ventilators, I guarantee it is happening with PPE

It wasn't even just states, it was even hospitals. I watched one of Cuomo's pressers a couple weeks ago and he mentioned that he was requiring hospitals in the state to give up 20% of the ventilators that they thought they wouldn't need. That left them 80% of a supply they thought they would NOT need probably. That opened up 500 ventilators for NYC. I about fell over when I heard him say that. New York state hospitals were hoarding vents themselves in that crisis.

 

[madguy30]

So travel bans from China don’t count as a response. That is unprecedented isn’t it?

If over 400,000 people weren't still coming to and from China after the 'ban', I guess and it sounds just a touch less effective since it was also coming from Europe.

Add in that there were like 40 other countries that put in bans before the US and it doesn't sound so unprecedented.

 

[CycloneVet]

You can’t tell states they are on their own and then confiscated stuff from them.[/QUOTE

Nobody is confiscating anything, my point was I am hoping they are building a federal stockpile to use where it is immediately needed

 

[simply1]

That's why it's dumb, you seem to have no idea what the feds have said and how they have acted.

@CycloneVet

 

[CycloneVet]

That's why it's dumb, you seem to have no idea what the feds have said and how they have acted.

@CycloneVet

Did you miss the word hoping?

 

[simply1]

Did you miss the word hoping?

You're hoping they are doing the opposite of what they've said and followed through on?

 

[CycloneVet]

You're hoping they are doing the opposite of what they've said and followed through on?

Give an example

 

[simply1]

Give an example

Maryland guarding it's supplies with their national guard.

 

[GrappleCy]

From some of the attitudes I saw, I'd say @GrappleCy is right on.
Some are just getting back to normal, but there's no way the unmasked folks are wearing them somewhere else.

Yep, which matters. The people yelling about re-opening and getting back to normal and all that are almost universally the people who are doing the most to prevent us from getting back to normal. This isn't some super-virus that lives forever on surfaces or that kills 90% of the people that get it. If everyone would commit to social distancing, wearing masks, and being better about washing their hands we could re-open a lot of stuff either as normal or with some modifications. But right now the section of the population is refusing to do that is the exact section of the population are the ones most desperate to eat in a restaurant dining room, browse in groups at the places that are open, and get their hair cut.

 

[GrappleCy]

I don’t think PPE is that hard to get at this point. I haven’t even heard any doctors complain about lower PPE levels than what they think they should have for the past couple of weeks.

The governor has said hospitals can resume non emergency surgical procedures as long as they have enough PPE and lot of them are not even though that stuff is how they make money. And those that are bringing them back are doing so at a reduced capacity. So they don't seem to agree with you there.