97-98 Bulls Documentary (The Last Dance)

[HFCS]

So you're saying Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman weren't all stars?

JFC I'm saying they weren't extraordinary teams without MJ. Rodman was only on two teams. The third best offensive player was typically not a great offensive player. Defensively most of the teams were very deep and they had several excellent coaches.

It's a fantasy created by LeBron fans in their 20s that Jordan's teams were radically more talented than LeBron's. Obviously two or three of lbj's teams really were a bare cupboard.

 

[Cycsk]

That's why no way no how will anyone convince me otherwise that LeBron isn't the GOAT. He won the only championship I'll ever see in my lifetime.

@ISUCyclones2015 is a homer!

 

[Cyched]

JFC I'm saying they weren't extraordinary teams without MJ. Rodman was only on two teams. The third best offensive player was typically not a great offensive player. Defensively most of the teams were very deep and they had several excellent coaches.

It's a fantasy created by LeBron fans in their 20s that Jordan's teams were radically more talented than LeBron's. Obviously two or three of lbj's teams really were a bare cupboard.

I don't really put much stock in the "supporting cast" arguments. We're still talking about NBA caliber players.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

 

[Cyched]

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

JFC I'm saying they weren't extraordinary teams without MJ. Rodman was only on two teams. The third best offensive player was typically not a great offensive player. Defensively most of the teams were very deep and they had several excellent coaches.

It's a fantasy created by LeBron fans in their 20s that Jordan's teams were radically more talented than LeBron's. Obviously two or three of lbj's teams really were a bare cupboard.

You're also ignoring Lebron's competition in the Finals was way better than Chicago's.

 

[HFCS]

People who think Jordan is the goat think history stopped after 1998.

NBA is by far my favorite sports league. I think the college game is nearly unwatchable in comparison. Enjoying your take that I haven't watched in 22 years when it's the only sports league u really follow outside if ISU football and basketball.

 

[michaelrr1]

You're also ignoring Lebron's competition in the Finals was way better than Chicago's.

The teams of the 90s were so much better than the teams Lebron faced. The East had so many good teams on the road to the Finals back then, whereas the East of the 2010s were hardly a challenge. Lebron doesn't make the Finals very often if he had to face competition every round of the playoffs.

 

[HFCS]

You're also ignoring Lebron's competition in the Finals was way better than Chicago's.

Only GSW was better and several were not really an epic challenge.

If you were old enough you'd know the ECF in the 80s and 90s is like the WCF has been in 00s and 10s.

 

[CYdTracked]

Got to go to a Bulls game Christmas break 1997 when I was in HS. One if the best sports memories I have even if we didnt have the greatest seats. Jordan scored 45 in the game and Rodman hit a 3 in a beat down of the Cavs. Looking forward to this documentary as I would even listen to Bulls games on the radio growing up when I could.

 

[CyTwins]

You're also ignoring Lebron's competition in the Finals was way better than Chicago's.

LeBron lost to arguably the worst team to ever win a title in the Mavericks and he had Bosh in his prime and Wade. Lol stop it

 

[CyTwins]

You're also ignoring Lebron's competition in the Finals was way better than Chicago's.

 

[Cyched]

Pippen ain't easy

 

[cyfanatic13]

I’m admittedly too young to fully appreciate Jordan’s greatness, but I think there’s at least something to be said that the Bulls without Jordan those two years in between the threepeats still finished 3rd and 5th in the east. Cavs without LeBron finished 15th, 13th, 13th, 10th.

I also don’t completely dismiss the conspiracy theory that’s been floated around that Jordan was secretly banned for the years he took off because of his gambling issues. I just don’t buy that someone with that high of a competitive drive just magically didn’t want to play for two years

 

[cyfanatic13]

For the record, I used to be a Lebron fan but not so much now that he’s with the Lakers. He’s gotten pretty annoying

 

[Cyched]

 

[LindenCy]

To be fair, I don't think Cleveland fans ever forgave us for this:

 

[Cyched]

I’m admittedly too young to fully appreciate Jordan’s greatness, but I think there’s at least something to be said that the Bulls without Jordan those two years in between the threepeats still finished 3rd and 5th in the east. Cavs without LeBron finished 15th, 13th, 13th, 10th.

I also don’t completely dismiss the conspiracy theory that’s been floated around that Jordan was secretly banned for the years he took off because of his gambling issues. I just don’t buy that someone with that high of a competitive drive just magically didn’t want to play for two years

It’s an intriguing theory, and you can make an argument for it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/131997-mjs-1st-retirement-was-it-a-secret-suspension

That said, not sure why the NBA would cover up his misdeeds AND kick him out with his marketability and star power. It’s more likely after the first 3 peat he wasn’t feeling challenged anymore.

Also a lot of these theories seem to forget the tragedy that happened with his father. If that had happened to me I would’ve taken a leave of absence from work too.

 

[xboxfever]

It’s an intriguing theory, and you can make an argument for it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/131997-mjs-1st-retirement-was-it-a-secret-suspension

That said, not sure why the NBA would cover up his misdeeds AND kick him out with his marketability and star power. It’s more likely after the first 3 peat he wasn’t feeling challenged anymore.

Also a lot of these theories seem to forget the tragedy that happened with his father. If that had happened to me I would’ve taken a leave of absence from work too.

His father was murdered, and since that happened it’s been rumored that the NBA and the mafia in Vegas were behind it because they wanted the series to go to game 7. If that is true, Jordan retiring to play baseball to say **** you to the NBA makes sense.

 

[Rabbuk]

You're also ignoring Lebron's competition in the Finals was way better than Chicago's.

This take is so bad you should put yourself in the corner.