Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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madguy30

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Here’s my thing with the masks. I find them irritating to wear. I also find I am more prone to touch my face if I were to wear one. I’m not sure culturally The US can wear masks regularly. If you are sick absolutely wear one but I’m not fully on board for seemingly healthy people.

During a pandemic that's shutting down the economy when people don't know and can't find out if they're sick and spreading the virus?

And you want things to open up sooner than later?
 

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During a pandemic that's shutting down the economy when people don't know and can't find out if they're sick and spreading the virus?

And you want things to open up sooner than later?
Well I didn’t mean exclusively this disease. I meant I’d you don’t feel well wear a mask.

I also have that stance because I think people are stupid. I think It lulls people into a false sense of security. I am more confident in my ability to not touch my face before washing my hands than I am in not touching a mask.
 

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Here is the summary of a report on antibody testing that just came out of Santa Clara County, California. Basically, the number of people who had antibodies was 50-85 times higher than the number of reported cases in the county. Based on a sample of 3,330 people.

I thought the actual number of cases was probably 10-15 times higher than what's been confirmed. 50-85 times higher is significant.

That would be either bad news, or good news. Bad because it means we have under tested by way more than most people would have predicted, and the virus has infected way more people that previously though. Good, because it means the mortality rate is significantly lower than what has been "confirmed" so far, and the fact that a lot of people already have antibodies will help slow the spread. If 15% of the population are immune, it doesn't stop the virus, but it does slow the infection rate significantly.

Studies in other countries have produces similar results. We should be watching closely as more of these studies come out throughout the U.S.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1

I'm picking good news as it tells us more about what's really happening. It seems like the cases that are extreme, are going in and getting treatment that's available.

680,000 confirmed cases X 50 is 32,000,000 apprx. walking around with it.

Agreed about the testing. This study may be a good advertisement for need for widespread testing.

Now we need to find out if we've had it, if we're immune and for how long.
 

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Well I didn’t mean exclusively this disease. I meant I’d you don’t feel well wear a mask.

I also have that stance because I think people are stupid. I think It lulls people into a false sense of security. I am more confident in my ability to not touch my face before washing my hands than I am in not touching a mask.

Yeah I get that part of it. People are still carrying on, talking on their phones, not being aware of space, etc.

It reminds me of how people drive modern cars with something like lane a or front space alerts so they think they don't have to pay attention to their driving.
 

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Only 40% of local restaurants closing seems optimistic. I think the majority of small, locally owned bars and restaurants will end up closing before all is said and done. It’s hard to imagine a business plan for any bar to survive in the medium term until there is a vaccine.

I recently read that California was estimating 33% of restaurants would never reopen, and I believe that was assuming restrictions being lifted by May 1. I'm sure you will see similar numbers across other lines of business that have been forced to close. The economic price has already been huge, and is growing by the day. We simply can't afford to keep this lock down in place much longer. There isn't enough money out there to take care of all the people out of work.

And then there is the secondary issue of all the supply chain problems. It is hard to find cleaning supplies and toilet paper. Medical supplies are getting problematic, and we are seeing more and more reports now about meat and dairy disruptions, and concerns about labor for produce harvesting. We can't let this go much further. We have to have food and medicine available.
 

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I already thought this was a done thing? Schools were already sending out tablets and things for kids.

It's been optional online enrichment up to this point for students in most districts. Will be interesting to see how they decide to wrap up grades for students. I'm guessing each district will handle it differently.
 

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Not exactly sure.
It's been optional online enrichment up to this point for students in most districts. Will be interesting to see how they decide to wrap up grades for students. I'm guessing each district will handle it differently.


Some have went required and not optional this last week.
 

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It's been optional online enrichment up to this point for students in most districts. Will be interesting to see how they decide to wrap up grades for students. I'm guessing each district will handle it differently.

Some high schools are going to pass/fail I think and then lower grades might just be an alternate sort of thing.
 

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It's been optional online enrichment up to this point for students in most districts. Will be interesting to see how they decide to wrap up grades for students. I'm guessing each district will handle it differently.

We have been told its ALL optional, so I doubt that changes. I have been sending out assignments for 2 weeks now, and I would say, I am getting about 35% back at most. We were told to not worry about 3rd quarter grades, which we had just finished, that everyone will be passing this year. If they were failing 3rd quarter, move the grade up to a D-, and be done with it.
So we jump through hoops for another month, I guess it could be worse.
 

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We have been told its ALL optional, so I doubt that changes. I have been sending out assignments for 2 weeks now, and I would say, I am getting about 35% back at most. We were told to not worry about 3rd quarter grades, which we had just finished, that everyone will be passing this year. If they were failing 3rd quarter, move the grade up to a D-, and be done with it.
So we jump through hoops for another month, I guess it could be worse.
And we so need to remember this.
 

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I'm picking good news as it tells us more about what's really happening. It seems like the cases that are extreme, are going in and getting treatment that's available.

680,000 confirmed cases X 50 is 32,000,000 apprx. walking around with it.

Agreed about the testing. This study may be a good advertisement for need for widespread testing.

Now we need to find out if we've had it, if we're immune and for how long.
Unfortunately, I don't see how we can test everyone any time soon. Just Iowa alone for example. If you were to try to test every person in Iowa for antibodies over a month long period. 3,155,000 / 30 days = 105,165 tests per day. There is just no way we have, or will have the infrastructure for that. We're struggling to perform 1,000-2,000 tests per day as it is. MAYBE if someone creates a do-it-yourself at home test that can mailed out. But then you are relying on people to do it correctly. I don't know what the solution is.
 

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Unfortunately, I don't see how we can test everyone any time soon. Just Iowa alone for example. If you were to try to test every person in Iowa for antibodies over a month long period. 3,155,000 / 30 days = 105,165 tests per day. There is just no way we have, or will have the infrastructure for that. We're struggling to perform 1,000-2,000 tests per day as it is. MAYBE if someone creates a do-it-yourself at home test that can mailed out. But then you are relying on people to do it correctly. I don't know what the solution is.


Up until recently part of the issue were the number of test. Times that they said they had 800 or so at the briefings. Today it was 10,588 so it is moving up.
 
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Unfortunately, I don't see how we can test everyone any time soon. Just Iowa alone for example. If you were to try to test every person in Iowa for antibodies over a month long period. 3,155,000 / 30 days = 105,165 tests per day. There is just no way we have, or will have the infrastructure for that. We're struggling to perform 1,000-2,000 tests per day as it is. MAYBE if someone creates a do-it-yourself at home test that can mailed out. But then you are relying on people to do it correctly. I don't know what the solution is.

Up until recently part of the issue were the number of test. Times that they said they had 800 or so at the briefings. Today it was 10,588 so it is moving up.

Yeah it sounds like testing HAS improved in a month so hopefully we can continue to get a jump on it.

I don't know if we'll ever be able to test everybody on the whole but if we can expand it it's a start.

As noted earlier I'm big on the antibody test train. That study imo told us more than what negative tests do.
 
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