Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[Scott34]

Last I checked heart disease wasn't a communicable disease

You're right let's all freak out, carry on.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I'm curious how the disease is spreading at that kind of plant. I read upthread that they don't wear masks or face guards - and I know they work in an assembly line format where the meat passes from person to person. I had initially assumed that lockerrooms, breakrooms, etc would have spread the disease - but with it being this widespread I wonder if it isn't passing from employee to employee on the meat?

on second thought maybe I don't want to know

I know that the people at the Tyson’s in Waterloo were not provided face masks.

they could wear their own, but who has those?

 

[Scott34]

Last I checked heart disease wasn't a communicable disease

Last I checked, it also has a cure rate of 98%.

 

[Die4Cy]

Last I checked heart disease wasn't a communicable disease

Unless you are familiar with growing up in a family with good German cooking.

 

[Cat Stevens]

well yes. But what is the alternative? If everyone gets sick the plants aren’t running anyway. I suspect they’ve only tested people with symptoms in these plants. Apparently Tyson is sending people to other plants. It’s hard not to see that we’re ******.

a friend of mine just took a part time job taking temperatures at a plant near mason city. She didn’t tell me which one.

but they are paying 30/hr to work from 5-9 am.

not much social distancing going on. It will be a **** show when one person brings it in.

these companies, like Tyson, are bottom of the barrel ethically. They hid the info about the Waterloo plant from the employees, until they had to admit it.

 

[Cy$]

https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-s...n-on-shelter-in-place-status/32155855?src=app

Couple regions almost to 10. Whatcha gonna do Kim?

Kim: "meh"

 

[Die4Cy]

Do we know that they didn't do anything different than they had been? I also work for a meat production plant. We are putting temporary barriers between employees(because in our situation you can't just space them out due to the way the building functions), our breaks have always been staggered, shift changes have been changed to have reduced contact, office workers are work from home when possible.

We still are trying to get masks, which due to shortages is almost impossible. Nitrile gloves are a requirement in some parts of the facility and are not allowed in others because if they come apart in the product they can't be detected by metal detectors and in some instances x-ray, so cotton gloves are worn in those parts of the plant.

All this boils down to even if we have it spread through our plant is anyone going to be like you and just assume that nothing was done? Yes they made some big mistakes, but that doesn't mean that there were not some mitigation efforts in place.

I think most bad opinions on the events of the last two months could be avoided if most people better understood disease transmission in this particular case and labor and supply chain logistics generally.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Was everyone required to wear a mask? Were common areas sanitized between uses? Were shift changes, breaks and meal times staggered? Were shift sizes and operations reduced?

you know the answer to this.

 

[madguy30]

In Iowa alone, roughly 7000 people die in Iowa due to heart disease. That over 500 deaths a month.

Maybe people would take actions to attempt to prevent themselves from having heart disease if their work had to be shut down due to rampant spreading of it.

Doubt it though.

In the few times I've been in a car over the past month, drivers are still speeding and texting despite the data and financial burden behind those risks.

 

[cycloneG]

Do we know that they didn't do anything different than they had been? I also work for a meat production plant. We are putting temporary barriers between employees(because in our situation you can't just space them out due to the way the building functions), our breaks have always been staggered, shift changes have been changed to have reduced contact, office workers are work from home when possible.

We still are trying to get masks, which due to shortages is almost impossible. Nitrile gloves are a requirement in some parts of the facility and are not allowed in others because if they come apart in the product they can't be detected by metal detectors and in some instances x-ray, so cotton gloves are worn in those parts of the plant.

All this boils down to even if we have it spread through our plant is anyone going to be like you and just assume that nothing was done? Yes they made some big mistakes, but that doesn't mean that there were not some mitigation efforts in place.

I'm aware Tyson took some steps but they obviously were not enough. The real problem is Tyson was never given proper guidance on how to operate to mitigate the spread. They were basically trying to figure it out on their own.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Our governor is not a good leader.

how can anyone disagree with this?

 

[isutrevman]

What's the proper perspective?

That some people are going to die from this, but we are doing things to help limit the number of deaths to an acceptable amount . Certainly not "So basically she wants us all to die".

 

[cycloneG]

That some people are going to die from this, but we are doing things to help limit the number of deaths to an acceptable amount . Certainly not "So basically she wants us all to die".

You should probably avoid using this terminology in the future. When people say "acceptable amount" about people dying, it can set some people off.

 

[isutrevman]

In 3 weeks.

For comparisons sake, since some people like to compare to other fatality events, roughly 25 people a month die in car accidents in iowa on average.

Agree. I was responding to a post literally claiming "So basically she wants us all to die". You think that's an accurate perspective?

 

[MartyFine]

You're right let's all freak out, carry on.

Did you just awaken from a coma?

 

[Cat Stevens]

Do we know that they didn't do anything different than they had been? I also work for a meat production plant. We are putting temporary barriers between employees(because in our situation you can't just space them out due to the way the building functions), our breaks have always been staggered, shift changes have been changed to have reduced contact, office workers are work from home when possible.

We still are trying to get masks, which due to shortages is almost impossible. Nitrile gloves are a requirement in some parts of the facility and are not allowed in others because if they come apart in the product they can't be detected by metal detectors and in some instances x-ray, so cotton gloves are worn in those parts of the plant.

All this boils down to even if we have it spread through our plant is anyone going to be like you and just assume that nothing was done? Yes they made some big mistakes, but that doesn't mean that there were not some mitigation efforts in place.

You mean like not telling employees that there are multiple confirmed cases? Or Informing them that we brought all these people from another plant that was shut down because of this disease?

Gosh, that’s just a simple error anyone could make, isn’t it?

 

[Cat Stevens]

I think most bad opinions on the events of the last two months could be avoided if most people better understood disease transmission in this particular case and labor and supply chain logistics generally.

There’s a lot of poor and foreign workers in here, they don’t matter.

 

[Cat Stevens]

You should probably avoid using this terminology in the future. When people say "acceptable amount" about people dying, it can set some people off.

He’s willing to sacrifice old people so the economy can reopen

 

[BCClone]

I'm not judging but this reads like old lives don't matter.

Talking to a couple church friends who have spouses in the care center. They have been on lock down two weeks before anything happened state wide, since around the 10th of March. The only interaction they get is to look through their room windows while talking on their cells phones. They are confined to their rooms. The two spouses who are not in the care centers both said that they and their spouse are at the point that they would rather risk the virus than to live like this anymore.

They say they are alive, but they aren't "living". These are couples that are totally inseparable. I know my mom would call me while in the care center a couple times a day, especially if I missed a day of stopping in to see her.

We are in a balancing act right now. Their lives matter, but even some of them say it's no life that they are living. I know each situation is different, but it does make you think like those with bad cancer situations (I sat their while my sister made this decision), is it better to have a few good months of doing what you want or a year of isolation? I feel for those in care facilities all the way around.

 

[isutrevman]

You should probably avoid using this terminology in the future. When people say "acceptable amount" about people dying, it can set some people off.

Don't care. This isn't fantasy land. It's something every single person is aware of, but we can't talk about? Unless we are taking measures to ensure that not a single person gets the virus and completely wipe it out, then everyone is accepting that a certain number of people will die.