*** Official Michigan VS IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[Statefan10]

Yes and no on the defense thing, 57.7% says there is work to do on defense. I don't buy into the supposed 'randomness' of 3pt shooting. Late or missed rotations are going to have higher conversion rates.

Michigan had a few wide open threes that they made that were killers, they also made a few really tough ones. However it's a ton easier to make that tough shot after seeing a wide open one go in. Again there were a couple possessions towards the end of the game where we broke down defensively late in the clock and allowed them to get an easy look, and they ended up making it.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Yes and no on the defense thing, 57.7% says there is work to do on defense. I don't buy into the supposed 'randomness' of 3pt shooting. Late or missed rotations are going to have higher conversion rates.

Point taken, but there are some trade-offs there.

Generating a lot of turnovers says they are being aggressive... but the high shooting percentage says they are taking risks, which sometimes burns them, or missing on more fundamental one-on-one or team defensive assignments.

It could be a little of both. I do not deny they have some work to do, but if you are going for tips and steals, sometimes you are going to be out of position.

I think my general point stands --

We lost because Michigan was making shots. I agree with you that when teams keep hitting at a high clip from the field on you, it is you, not them.

We were in it though because we were generating a ton of turnovers. Think of ten of those turnovers as missed shots, and our defense looks better.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Yeah today was just not his day. It happens. I think the speed got to him a little bit and he got into his own head. He'll be fine.

george’s going to be really good. Today he saw what a team with an excellent post and post coaching does when you’re slow on rotations.

 

[Malone]

Stephan F. Austin beats #1 ranked Duke
Evansville beats #1 ranked Kentucky
Favored Michigan beats unranked Iowa State.

(Some) CFers melt down and consider the season over.

Nobody is melting down. There is intelligent conversation on the state of our team. Keep on attacking that straw man, though!

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Question: Was the technical assessed to Prohm, the bench, or a player? They didn't credit a player when they announced it.
What was the infraction?

Also, when you give Michigan a new 30 on a tie-up (they had 4 left on the clock), but ISU doesn't get a fresh 30 on theirs, something is fishy...

 

[Cat Stevens]

Nobody is melting down. There is intelligent conversation on the state of our team. Keep on attacking that straw man, though!

Saying that a coach has “tiny balls” proves you are a liar, again

 

[Cat Stevens]

Question: Was the technical assessed to Prohm, the bench, or a player? They didn't credit a player when they announced it.
What was the infraction?

Also, when you give Michigan a new 30 on a tie-up (they had 4 left on the clock), but ISU doesn't get a fresh 30 on theirs, something is fishy...

Yeah that was bad. They shouldn’t have reset he clock on that one.

 

[herbicide]

Question: Was the technical assessed to Prohm, the bench, or a player? They didn't credit a player when they announced it.
What was the infraction?

Also, when you give Michigan a new 30 on a tie-up (they had 4 left on the clock), but ISU doesn't get a fresh 30 on theirs, something is fishy...

The two times I yelled at the TV were the "tip-in" that was a offensive goaltend, and the reset of the shot clock.

 

[Statefan10]

Question: Was the technical assessed to Prohm, the bench, or a player? They didn't credit a player when they announced it.
What was the infraction?

Also, when you give Michigan a new 30 on a tie-up (they had 4 left on the clock), but ISU doesn't get a fresh 30 on theirs, something is fishy...

It was on Steve Prohm and was a good technical to get in that situation. Also, the rule is that if there is a tie up, and the team that had possession of the ball gets the ball on the possession arrow, whatever time left on the shot clock should stay the same. Where the refs messed up was when one of them believed that Mike had gained full possession of the ball which with the tie up would then give Michigan a full 30 second reset. I think it was a terrible call and ended up costing us a bucket in the end.

 

[MJ271]

Line was moved back this year, so there are no comparable stats to last year. But Michigan certainly didn't have any issue with the three.

Too lazy to do it myself, but does anyone have a quick reference to average 3 point shooting across all teams in 2019 compared to season stats for 2018?

I wouldn't quite say no comparable stats. I did go ahead an look at 2019 vs 2018. This season teams are shooting 33.5% from three and last season they shot 34.5%. So there's something there, but that certainly doesn't explain all of the problems for Nixon and Bolton. Also Bolton shot 90% from the free throw line last year, which is usually a pretty good indicator for skill as a shooter. He's struggled a bit from the line the past few games, so I wonder if there's a chance it's a mechanical thing or if it's just lack of confidence. Or of course it could just be random variance.

Also, when you give Michigan a new 30 on a tie-up (they had 4 left on the clock), but ISU doesn't get a fresh 30 on theirs, something is fishy...

I think that was correct, actually. When Michigan got the ball on the jump ball, Jacobson (I believe) had gotten possession of the ball, so the shot clock should have reset at that point, then it would be a new 30 for Michigan on the jump ball. When we kept it on the jump ball, we never completely lost possession, so not reset of the shot clock.

 

[NENick]

I do not mean to lay this all on Nixon's lap. We lost as a team. I do think it is reasonable to say, however, that he is pressing on offense and needs to concentrate on being that bulldog who does the little things instead, especially defending. So far, Nixon has only played into some of the reasonable concerns we had about him coming into this season about his iffy shooting, inefficiency on offense, and need to adjust to high-major ball.

If anybody, I lay this on our bench. We had a very good bench last year and a bad one two years ago. The bench today gave us little. That needs to change, but that bench is made up of four guys who are either freshmen or sophomores beginning their first season as rotation guys in high-major ball. But it has to be more productive going forward.

I am not calling for him to be benched now, but I think some of his minutes might need to drift in Grill (especially) and Jackson's directions. If he is still playing like this come Big 12 season, then we (1.) probably lost a few key games, so we are basically out of the running for March and (2.) might as well play the young guys at that point, because we have little to lose and might as well build for the future with those young guards.

Very reasonable.

 

[Statefan10]

I wouldn't quite say no comparable stats. I did go ahead an look at 2019 vs 2018. This season teams are shooting 33.5% from three and last season they shot 34.5%. So there's something there, but that certainly doesn't explain all of the problems for Nixon and Bolton. Also Bolton shot 90% from the free throw line last year, which is usually a pretty good indicator for skill as a shooter. He's struggled a bit from the line the past few games, so I wonder if there's a chance it's a mechanical thing or if it's just lack of confidence. Or of course it could just be random variance.



I think that was correct, actually. When Michigan got the ball on the jump ball, Jacobson (I believe) had gotten possession of the ball, so the shot clock should have reset at that point, then it would be a new 30 for Michigan on the jump ball. When we kept it on the jump ball, we never completely lost possession, so not reset of the shot clock.

I think Bolton is a little bit in his own head right now regarding his shot. Hopefully he can start shooting the ball with a little confidence because I really like how he attacks the basket.

 

[ClonesFTW]

Stephan F. Austin beats #1 ranked Duke
Evansville beats #1 ranked Kentucky
Favored Michigan beats unranked Iowa State.

(Some) CFers melt down and consider the season over.

Are Duke and Kentucky going to lose 10 conference games like we are?

 

[Statefan10]

Are Duke and Kentucky going to lose 10 conference games like we are?

We lost 9 last year, won the conference tournament, and made the NCAA tournament. Let's all take a deep breath.

 

[ClonesFTW]

We lost 9 last year, won the conference tournament, and made the NCAA tournament. Let's all take a deep breath.

I’m good, my preseason expectations were to possibly squeak into the tournament this year and still remain the same. But you’re proving my point, we still lost 9 last year with 2 NBA draft picks and nearly a third. We don’t have that talent level this year.

 

[NENick]

Nobody is melting down. There is intelligent conversation on the state of our team. Keep on attacking that straw man, though!

I said "some." You say "nobody." I think there is a lot of intelligent conversation and critiquing of the game and the team, but I also think there is "some" unreasonableness in "some" of the views expressed. I also understand that is the nature of a discussion board and if I don't like it I can avoid reading it. The problem is I kind of like it!

 

[Statefan10]

I’m good, my preseason expectations were to possibly squeak into the tournament this year and still remain the same. But you’re proving my point, we still lost 9 last year with 2 NBA draft picks and nearly a third. We don’t have that talent level this year.

We have one NBA draft pick this year who is being talked about as a lottery pick, and some guys that look to have the ability to play well together. I don't think we're as good as we were last year but I do know that we need to give everyone on the team, including the staff, a little bit of time to feel how out how they can play up to their potential. Losing in two close games to two tournament teams is not a reason to throw in the towel this early (I'm not saying you are).

 

[Skyh13]

Greenberg just called him the best NBA PG prospect in college basketball.

I mean, that's nice.. hopefully the scouts agree, though.

 

[isuno1fan]

Enjoy TH this year because he won’t be around next year barring injury.

 

[Skyh13]

I'm not sure you could be more wrong . The NBA loves guys like TH at the moment.

All I heard about Monte (and I know he's shorter) over and over and over was that he didn't score enough. I feel like he's the definition of a true point guard, and he still didn't get a ton of attention, and look now. I kept telling people, whoever ends up with him are gonna get a steal, and they sure as hell did.

I could be wrong, but we'll see. I hope he gets the attention he deserves, even if he isn't lighting up the scoreboard.

And again, just so people don't keep flaming me or making my post as "funny", I am in no way rooting against him, or think he wouldn't do well in the NBA -- I'm simply engaging in punditry on what scouts and GM's might end up doing in the draft. That's all.