Great recognition.
A lot of freshman and/or guys assumed to be taking big steps forward on the list.
A lot of freshman and/or guys assumed to be taking big steps forward on the list.
This is the biggest difference. Tyrese was non-existent in the dribble-drive, and scoring, or passing off in the lane. However, with Wigginton and THT, he didn't really have to, or probably wasn't asked to.
Whether or not he can improve and do that this season, will go a long way in determining how good the team is.
Yeah, Hefts single game record at ISU. Montes was a season long all time NCAA record. Guess I should have been more specific.
It’s getting foggy, but it does seem like freshman Morris displayed more diversity on offense.This is the biggest difference. Tyrese was non-existent in the dribble-drive, and scoring, or passing off in the lane. However, with Wigginton and THT, he didn't really have to, or probably wasn't asked to.
Whether or not he can improve and do that this season, will go a long way in determining how good the team is.
To be fair he's also got 4 of the top 7 seasons in that time. Only a couple guys have appeard in the top 25 more than once. That's enough to show that in an exceptional career it was an exceptional season. An all timer.Not to be knocking on Monte, but to be fair, the "all time NCAA record" is of a stat that started being recorded in 2008. The entire history of that stat being recorded was less than 10 years old when he set it.
To be fair he's also got 4 of the top 7 seasons in that time. Only a couple guys have appeard in the top 25 more than once. That's enough to show that in an exceptional career it was an exceptional season. An all timer.
There's no doubt that Monte had the better supporting cast his first 3 seasons. It's debatable, and more importantly, undetermined, how Thomas, Naz, and Burton compare to Bolton, Nixon, and Jacobsen.It’s getting foggy, but it does seem like freshman Morris displayed more diversity on offense.
Both had great offensive ratings while having low usage (the lowest usage of all rotation players) on teams with three high usage guys. However, Morris had a 3PAr of only .385 while Tyrese was at .677. Morris also had a significantly higher FTr at .402 with Tyrese at .156.
There was similar discussion about whether a sophomore Morris could carry the team, although he did have Georges, several other guys with starting experience, and added BDJ and Nader.
Did he do much of that kind of stuff in Greece?
There's no doubt that Monte had the better supporting cast his first 3 seasons. It's debatable, and more importantly, undetermined, how Thomas, Naz, and Burton compare to Bolton, Nixon, and Jacobsen.
For me, it's less about comparing Monte and Tyrese, and more about just what Tyrese can do. Can he elevate his game enough to lead the team statistically, and have the leadership to carry the team to the tournament? A top 5 PG in the country can't be the third leading scorer, and not able to drive the lane.
Very true. He is not the prototypical pg we see in college basketball. I hope he can continue to be very good from 3, but if that's going to be his primary scoring, then he needs to be taking a bunch more attempts this season. He only avgd 3 attempts per game last year, whereas Lindell and Shayok were at 5.What makes TH standout is that he’s not every other PG. He’s evolved a pretty unique game where he can still be effective without getting in to the lane. With Bolton eligible I expect you’ll see a lot of the same as last year when he had THT and Wigg to do the driving work so he can spot up and shoot 3’s which he is elite at making when open.
What makes TH standout is that he’s not every other PG. He’s evolved a pretty unique game where he can still be effective without getting in to the lane. With Bolton eligible I expect you’ll see a lot of the same as last year when he had THT and Wigg to do the driving work so he can spot up and shoot 3’s which he is elite at making when open.
Sounds like you are basing your opinion off of it, so I just assumed that that was your direction based on the way your presented your post. If that assumption was incorrect, my apologies.Who said I was? I'm not the one who decided it was a great idea to say one is better than the othe based on their freshman seasons, but if we're going there give me Monte. It doesn't mean I don't think Tyrese is great, I'm just saying Monte did something that no one else has ever done his freshman year. That's enough for me.
What makes TH standout is that he’s not every other PG. He’s evolved a pretty unique game where he can still be effective without getting in to the lane. With Bolton eligible I expect you’ll see a lot of the same as last year when he had THT and Wigg to do the driving work so he can spot up and shoot 3’s which he is elite at making when open.
Finding similar setups is natural though in terms of projecting year-over-year improvement. Is Morris the most apt comparison, I’m not sure. Imo Morris displayed more ability as a freshman in terms of the skills needed to elevate his game, plus had a supporting cast to not necessitate it.There's no doubt that Monte had the better supporting cast his first 3 seasons. It's debatable, and more importantly, undetermined, how Thomas, Naz, and Burton compare to Bolton, Nixon, and Jacobsen.
For me, it's less about comparing Monte and Tyrese, and more about just what Tyrese can do. Can he elevate his game enough to lead the team statistically, and have the leadership to carry the team to the tournament? A top 5 PG in the country can't be the third leading scorer, and not able to drive the lane.
Finding similar setups is natural though in terms of projecting year-over-year improvement. Is Morris the most apt comparison, I’m not sure. Imo Morris displayed more ability as a freshman in terms of the skills needed to elevate his game, plus had a supporting cast to not necessitate it.
Perhaps I’m going undervaluing TH, but I don’t feel as good about this year if he needs to be the top scorer, maybe even the 2nd scorer. I think he could be a top pg as an elite facilitator and overall player, but a secondary or even slight tertiary scorer. What he cannot be is just a great distributor on a bad team. That’s basically NWB in 17-18