DeSousa Out This year and next

[Halincandenza]

Well then you're just arguing syntax, which is irrelevant. The violation states that the guardian made an agreement WITH an agent.

From the ncaa news report: "According to the facts provided for purpose of the reinstatement request, De Sousa's guardian received payment of $2,500 from an agent and booster of the school. He agreed to accept additional payment of $20,000 from the same individual and an Adidas emplyee for securing De Sousa's enrollment at Kansas."

Sentence one explicitely states that the information provided on the reinstatement request (that the ncaa forced Kansas to include and claimed was "hypothetical only") was used as the determiner of the violation. Kansas was REQUIRED to name Gassnola an agent and booster for the reinstatement request to be considered and then they busted them for making an agreement with an agent and booster. It's beyond shady and absurd.

Sentence two is supported by zero evidence except for Gassnola's testimony. None.

No, I am not. It is what allows the NCAA to punish DeSousa for the guardian's actions. I don't why you can't understand that.

Yes, the NCAA is shady, but what's new? Until the universities get together and form something different, it is what they have to deal with. They can continue to screw kids year after year but that won't change without the universities doing something. But they won't do anything because they like the set up because they get the monetary benefits. So I don't see the NCAA going away until they really piss off some big players.

 

[randomfan44]

No, I am not. It is what allows the NCAA to punish DeSousa for the guardian's actions. I don't why you can't understand that.

Yes, the NCAA is shady, but what's new? Until the universities get together and form something different, it is what they have to deal with. They can continue to screw kids year after year but that won't change without the universities doing something. But they won't do anything because they like the set up because they get the monetary benefits. So I don't see the NCAA going away until they really piss off some big players.

Hopefully they at least remove De Sousa from their March Madness video ad. He was still in it as of this morning. Apparently only the NCAA is allowed to make money off of De Sousa's basketball skills.

 

[agcy68]

No school paid a parent or guardian of a recruit. But the players should be getting paid. That much is for certain, and they should be able to sign with agents, sign shoe deals, make money off their likeness.

I didn't say that a school did pay a parent/guardian, but that is the next logical step in this progression. Heck, even in this situation, the school is only 1 degree from paying the kid directly.

I don't disagree that kids should be getting paid. BUT, that isn't the current argument. Think that I can tell a cop that I think the speed limit should be 80 and he won't give me a ticket? Stop trying to change the story to put Kansas in the right here.

So, I don't think KU fans here would argue that they haven't gotten recruits through Adidas and such. I wonder just how good Bill Self would be if he wasn't getting a huge advantage over most of the teams he plays against.

I used to cheer for KU, being a good representative of the Big XII and all, but stupid "we're supposed to be better than the rest of you so just put up with it and let us cheat" arguments like this show me the true arrogance of KU fans. They might win the conference, and so be it,, but I really do hope they lose the first round of NCAA tournament and embarrass themselves.

 

[CTTB78]

Stop, thats silly. We all know Nike is paying kids too....

No, not according to Bill. He knows nothing about cash payments to anybody, by anyone.

 

[randomfan44]

I didn't say that a school did pay a parent/guardian, but that is the next logical step in this progression. Heck, even in this situation, the school is only 1 degree from paying the kid directly.

I don't disagree that kids should be getting paid. BUT, that isn't the current argument. Think that I can tell a cop that I think the speed limit should be 80 and he won't give me a ticket? Stop trying to change the story to put Kansas in the right here.

So, I don't think KU fans here would argue that they haven't gotten recruits through Adidas and such. I wonder just how good Bill Self would be if he wasn't getting a huge advantage over most of the teams he plays against.

I used to cheer for KU, being a good representative of the Big XII and all, but stupid "we're supposed to be better than the rest of you so just put up with it and let us cheat" arguments like this show me the true arrogance of KU fans. They might win the conference, and so be it,, but I really do hope they lose the first round of NCAA tournament and embarrass themselves.

Bill Self had as many Elite Eights in 3 seasons at Tulsa as all the Iowa State coach in the last 70 years combined.

 

[Rabbuk]

Hopefully they at least remove De Sousa from their March Madness video ad. He was still in it as of this morning. Apparently only the NCAA is allowed to make money off of De Sousa's basketball skills.

No one knows who De Sousa is outside ku fast basically

 

[jpete24]

Bill Self had as many Elite Eights in 3 seasons at Tulsa as all the Iowa State coach in the last 70 years combined.

Bill Self caught lightning in a bottle at Tulsa, he put in his real work at Illinois (and propped up Bruce Weber's career) and has coasted at KU relying off the school name, slipping cash to refs and paying players. Call a spade a spade dude.

 

[surly]

From another board:

https://www.al.com/articles/7558832/nca ... n_rule.amp

The NCAA Legislative Council on Wednesday officially passed a new rule designating any parent as an agent if he or she is found to be soliciting the services of a son or daughter to an NCAA institution, according to a report by CBSSports.com . The rule closes a loophole that allowed Heisman Trophy-winner and Auburn star Cam Newton to continue playing during Auburn's 2010 national championship season after it was discovered that his father, Cecil Newton, solicited Cam's services to Mississippi State for $180,000.

"It essentially closes the loophole," council chair Carolyn Campbell-McGovern told CBSSports.com.

Under NCAA Bylaw 12, the rule now states that:

" ... an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain ..." PC5000

 

[randomfan44]

Bill Self caught lightning in a bottle at Tulsa, he put in his real work at Illinois (and propped up Bruce Weber's career) and has coasted at KU relying off the school name, slipping cash to refs and paying players. Call a spade a spade dude.

 

[ArgentCy]

So you're saying that we should allow Adidas to throw money at these kids all they want? Goodbye college basketball then.

Yes, they should be paid. I got paid in college and there is no logically reason that basketball or football players should not be paid. They are bringing FAR more money to ISU than I did, that is for sure.

 

[randomfan44]

Yes, they should be paid. I got paid in college and there is no logically reason that basketball or football players should not be paid. They are bringing FAR more money to ISU than I did, that is for sure.

But then the NCAA has to face the possibility of the schools, not the NCAA negotiating the contract for the NCAA tourney and since that is a huge portion of their revenue, they will not stand for that. Admit that the players are the draw that are worth money and you shift power from the NCAA to the players and schools. There are a lot of old white dudes making money off the current system; they never give that up willingly.

 

[Macloney]

Bill Self had as many Elite Eights in 3 seasons at Tulsa as all the Iowa State coach in the last 70 years combined.

Boooooo.

self is still a huge tool.

 

[LincolnWay187]

Bill Self had as many Elite Eights in 3 seasons at Tulsa as all the Iowa State coach in the last 70 years combined.

Mods what is it going to take for you to swing the ban hammer on this guy? Biggest tool on this site

 

[randomfan44]

Boooooo.

self is still a huge tool.

Who could coach any team he is handed to a Top 2 conference finish and a tourney run.

 

[randomfan44]

Mods what is it going to take for you to swing the ban hammer on this guy? Biggest tool on this site

Good grief. People post things 10000x worse than that towards me directly or KU every day. Calling for bans is lame. Utilize the "ignore" feature if my posts offend you.

 

[Dingus]

SIAP. Pretty much this.

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/fo...aid-silvio-de-sousa-punishment-223114707.html

“Here is what Bill Self should have said, if he had a lot less gall and a lot more Self-awareness: “I apologize to Silvio De Sousa for putting him in this predicament. I’m sorry that T.J. Gassnola (3), a known bag man and now convicted felon, who I was in contact with during this recruitment and others, paid the money that helped bring Silvio to Kansas. We have said that Silvio didn’t know what was transpiring, but I should have. Everyone in college basketball was aware of T.J.’s reputation and how he operated. I acknowledge that it’s very hard to believe that someone with my experience and connections had no idea that he was working a deal to abruptly pull Silvio away from Maryland and send him to Kansas. Instead of blaming the NCAA for its ruling, I should blame myself for using T.J. Gassnola as an unofficial recruiter.”

 

[Mr Janny]

SIAP. Pretty much this.

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/fo...aid-silvio-de-sousa-punishment-223114707.html

“Here is what Bill Self should have said, if he had a lot less gall and a lot more Self-awareness: “I apologize to Silvio De Sousa for putting him in this predicament. I’m sorry that T.J. Gassnola (3), a known bag man and now convicted felon, who I was in contact with during this recruitment and others, paid the money that helped bring Silvio to Kansas. We have said that Silvio didn’t know what was transpiring, but I should have. Everyone in college basketball was aware of T.J.’s reputation and how he operated. I acknowledge that it’s very hard to believe that someone with my experience and connections had no idea that he was working a deal to abruptly pull Silvio away from Maryland and send him to Kansas. Instead of blaming the NCAA for its ruling, I should blame myself for using T.J. Gassnola as an unofficial recruiter.”

That's a pretty good take. And it's one that Kansas fans really should take to heart. Regardless of "plausible deniability" they let a very shady person close to their program.

 

[WastedTalent]

Reading Jayhawk comments on other boards and on Twitter, you'd think Silvio was some all American player of the year candidate. He would have been coming off the bench at the beginning of the season. Of course they need him now because Lawson isn't a true big, and McCormack, Lightfoot, and KJ suck.

 

[surly]

Again, the issue isn't Desousa, it's Ku basketball. I would have let him transfer and play next year after sitting out this one. I'd then nut-kick Ku. Vacate all wins and championships in which Desousa played. Put Ku on probation for two years, no NCAA tournament, no TV. That would help put an end to this crap. Desousa's a pawn, Self's the king.

 

[agcy68]

Bill Self had as many Elite Eights in 3 seasons at Tulsa as all the Iowa State coach in the last 70 years combined.

So, he is as good a Larry Eustachy. Got it.