I'd like to see the text of the Big 12 television agreement

[Newell]

It's hard for me to believe this is true...

I know people are focusing on the money — the Big 12’s current TV deals call for the per-school payouts to increase proportionally with the number of new members added

If the Big 12 adds schools which don't bring equivalent tv revenue ESPN and Fox will take the loss and send just as much as they would have? I'm having a hard time believing the network lawyers would agree to something like that.

 

[cycloneG]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ve-well-and-likely-after-being-presumed-dead/

The Big 12 would exercise a clause in its contract that guarantees any new members receive pro rata -- an equal share as current members. ESPN and Fox agreed to the clause when the contract was negotiated in 2012.

It's hard for me to believe this is true...

I know people are focusing on the money — the Big 12’s current TV deals call for the per-school payouts to increase proportionally with the number of new members added

If the Big 12 adds schools which don't bring equivalent tv revenue ESPN and Fox will take the loss and send just as much as they would have? I'm having a hard time believing the network lawyers would agree to something like that.

 

[Incyte]

Why are you so sure the networks wouldn't agree to it? They are desperately in search of content.

 

[Newell]

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ve-well-and-likely-after-being-presumed-dead/

"Equal share as current members" is far from what the article I posted claimed which was payout would increase proportionately. An equal share doesn't mean an increase - it could very likely mean a diluted payout.

 

[cycloneG]

"Equal share as current members" is far from what the article I posted claimed which was payout would increase proportionately. An equal share doesn't mean an increase - it could very likely mean a diluted payout.

Dude, it means they get equal shares as current members with no drop in TV revenue. Easy to understand. The networks pay more if more schools are added. Pro rata.

 

[isu81]

Dude, it means they get equal shares as current members with no drop in TV revenue. Easy to understand. The networks pay more if more schools are added. Pro rata.

I'm with Newell on this one. So if we added UNI and SW Missouri State, networks are all good with that? (Using extreme examples to make the point). Or if Texas left, networks are good with that?

 

[cycloneG]

I'm with Newell on this one. So if we added UNI and SW Missouri State, networks are all good with that? (Using extreme examples to make the point). Or if Texas left, networks are good with that?

Does no one understand pro rata?

Here’s what happens if the Big 12 adds to its membership: it’s current television contracts are increased pro rata to cover equal shares to the new members.

 

[Newell]

I'm with Newell on this one. So if we added UNI and SW Missouri State, networks are all good with that? (Using extreme examples to make the point). Or if Texas left, networks are good with that?

As I said in the title of the thread, I'd like to see the text of the agreement. If this is correct the Big 12 could take in 50 schools and force the networks to pay the conference 500% more.

I'd like to see the text.

 

[Incyte]

As I said in the title of the thread, I'd like to see the text of the agreement. If this is correct the Big 12 could take in 50 schools and force the networks to pay the conference 500% more.

I'd like to see the text.

I don't think you understand who is really controlling who we add. It's the networks, not the conference.

 

[Newell]

I don't think you understand who is really controlling who we add. It's the networks, not the conference.

Normally the networks would play a large role but that's not what is being claimed in these articles.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

Does no one understand pro rata?

explain this in this context

 

[cycloneG]

Normally the networks would play a large role but that's not what is being claimed in these articles.

All the articles are pointing out is the pro rata clause. The Big 12 can add as many schools as they want and the television networks would have to pay each additional school the same amount they're paying current schools. But, if the Big 12 adds a couple schools and the networks are forced to pay the extra amount, those schools better be appealing to the networks or the next go around of negotiations will not be pleasant at all.

 

[cycloneG]

explain this in this context

The rate each school receives remains the same regardless of the number of member schools.

http://www.todaysu.com/big-12/leaders-give-green-light-to-expansion/

[FONT=&quot]It calls for pro rata increases if the Big 12 expands. In other words, the slices of the TV revenue pie will remain the same if its cut 12 or 14 ways instead of the current 10. Big 12 schools received about $25 million each in TV money for the last fiscal year.[/FONT]

 

[Newell]

All the articles are pointing out is the pro rata clause. The Big 12 can add as many schools as they want and the television networks would have to pay each additional school the same amount they're paying current schools. But, if the Big 12 adds a couple schools and the networks are forced to pay the extra amount, those schools better be appealing to the networks or the next go around of negotiations will not be pleasant at all.

They are all parroting what Bowlsby is saying. I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I've seen multiple writers claim grant of rights agreements are not legally binding. I've read the text of the Big 12 grant of rights agreement. It is legally binding. There are 50 school which have signed a grant of rights and 0 have violated it. The ACC consulted the Big 12 when they wrote their grant of rights and the ACC just extended their grant of rights.

I'd like to see the text of the agreement.

 

[cycloneG]

They are all parroting what Bowlsby is saying. I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I've seen multiple writers claim grant of rights agreements are not legally binding. I've read the text of the Big 12 grant of rights agreement. It is legally binding. There are 50 school which have signed a grant of rights and 0 have violated it. The ACC consulted the Big 12 when they wrote their grant of rights and the ACC just extended their grant of rights.

I'd like to see the text of the agreement.

Do you think Bowlsby is lying? If you think he's lying, then we have no need to continue discussing this.

 

[Newell]

Do you think Bowlsby is lying? If you think he's lying, then we have no need to continue discussing this.

I'd like to see the text. Maybe Bowlsby will make it public?

 

[t-noah]

Does no one understand pro rata?

Is that kind of like a post hole digger?

 

[besserheimerphat]

They are all parroting what Bowlsby is saying. I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I've seen multiple writers claim grant of rights agreements are not legally binding. I've read the text of the Big 12 grant of rights agreement. It is legally binding. There are 50 school which have signed a grant of rights and 0 have violated it. The ACC consulted the Big 12 when they wrote their grant of rights and the ACC just extended their grant of rights.

I'd like to see the text of the agreement.

Wait, you're saying based on your personal review of the GOR that contracts are legally binding now? Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Clone2Dbone]

If Oklahoma and Texas are on board with expansion you can be assured they aren't taking a revenue decrease. I also don't think any of the remaining current members would be willing to lose their portion and accept the revenue drop, so why would they have signed off on it.

 

[Beyerball]

Grant of Rights is pretty straight forward and no one has broken it but no one has challenged it either..

As for bigv12 deal it's exactly what has been said and you will never see that contract..yes big 12 can add any team but they aren't stupid and networks know they aren't gonna add UNI.

If we add 2-4 teams and teams sign new GOR then all is golden if there is no new GOR then Pollard needs to position ISU for ACC or beg BIG.

Edit: adding teams will increase revenue..any team we add will beg to be in this conference and negotiate a lower share to get in..increasing current 10 teams revenue payout. I have a feeling that when 2-4 teams are added a new TV deal will be worked out where both sides make out well.