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carvers4math

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I can totally see your take on not wanting to see another Spider-Man anytime soon. In fact, I was probably in that boat a week ago. However, I'm not sure how anyone can walk out of Civil War and not want to see a Tom Holland Spider-Man, especially when it has been almost confirmed that RDJ will also be in it. Spider-Man was the best part of Civil War.

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I found Spider Man really annoying in Civil War. Not a big fan of any of the Spider Man movies either though. Maybe because I read the comics and haven't really read the other ones.
 

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I liked Civil War a lot.

I actually have another problem with the Marvel Universe - the movies are becoming increasingly dependent on one another where if you haven't seen everything, you begin losing context.

I haven't seen everything in the MCU - I've only seen Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor 2, Avengers, Avengers 2 (only once, compared to the others), and Guardians of the Galaxy. So, for instance, I knew who Ant Man was, but I didn't know his story going in. I knew who Scarlet Witch and Vision were, but because I've only seen Avengers 2 once I actually wasn't as familiar with either character as I should be. I definitely didn't know much about the Winter Soldier since I haven't seen that Captain America yet. And because I was already missing the context of those characters, I didn't realize that I shouldn't necessarily know who Black Panther is yet. Also, Civil War's plot was built on the "failures" of the other movies, some of which I wasn't quite familiar with. They did a great job of trying to fill in the backstory as briefly as possible, but it's not the same as actually seeing and being familiar with the previous movies.

Anyway, that's my complaint. I thought Civil War was great, but these movies are getting so interconnected that, since I haven't seen all of them, I'm losing context.
 

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Maybe I'm alone on this, but I found Spider Man really annoying in Civil War. Not a big fan of any of the Spider Man movies either though. Maybe because I read the comics and haven't really read the other ones.

I think the thing you're missing on Spider Man is he's a high school nerd - therefore a twerp. He was supposed to annoy you. That's his thing.
 

carvers4math

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I think the thing you're missing on Spider Man is he's a high school nerd - therefore a twerp. He was supposed to annoy you. That's his thing.

I guess. It's just that I live with a bunch of nerdy high school boys and he seems more like the 1950's version of one dropped into 2016.
 

State43

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I liked Civil War a lot.

I actually have another problem with the Marvel Universe - the movies are becoming increasingly dependent on one another where if you haven't seen everything, you begin losing context.

I haven't seen everything in the MCU - I've only seen Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor 2, Avengers, Avengers 2 (only once, compared to the others), and Guardians of the Galaxy. So, for instance, I knew who Ant Man was, but I didn't know his story going in. I knew who Scarlet Witch and Vision were, but because I've only seen Avengers 2 once I actually wasn't as familiar with either character as I should be. I definitely didn't know much about the Winter Soldier since I haven't seen that Captain America yet. And because I was already missing the context of those characters, I didn't realize that I shouldn't necessarily know who Black Panther is yet. Also, Civil War's plot was built on the "failures" of the other movies, some of which I wasn't quite familiar with. They did a great job of trying to fill in the backstory as briefly as possible, but it's not the same as actually seeing and being familiar with the previous movies.

Anyway, that's my complaint. I thought Civil War was great, but these movies are getting so interconnected that, since I haven't seen all of them, I'm losing context.

You were bothered that you couldn't follow Captain America 3 but admitted to not seeing Captain Anerica 2?
Ant man I understand, I watched it for the first time a week prior. Decently fun movie
 

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They screwed up by remaking them so quickly, the Andrew Garfield ones should never have happened.
The ONLY reason they rebooted it was because the movie rights expire if they don't release a new Spider-man movie every few years. If Amazing Spider-man wasn't released, Sony loses Spider-man and it would have gone back to Marvel Studios. Definitely a money thing.
 

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You were bothered that you couldn't follow Captain America 3 but admitted to not seeing Captain Anerica 2?
Ant man I understand, I watched it for the first time a week prior. Decently fun movie

I didn't say I had a problem following it - MCU is not so terribly complex that you can't follow the movies "standalone." I had no problem keeping up with Civil War because they did a decent enough job filling in the holes for those that hadn't seen the previous movies. I said I'm missing context - as in I couldn't shrug the fact that I should have known these things without the movie providing the summary. Absolutely I wouldn't know Winter Soldier because I admitted I hadn't seen 2. The more troubling thing to me was the fact that I couldn't tell in the moment whether I should or shouldn't know who Black Panther was. Even more troubling is I had a better idea of who Black Panther was - a character that had never shown up before.
 
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carvers4math

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I live with a bunch of nerdy teenagers and the king of the nerds, their dad, so I have seen all of these movies. I would have been confused watching Civil War had I not seen Winter Soldier. FWIW, I really liked Winter Soldier, my second favorite after Guardians of the Galaxy.
 

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Yeah, watching Thor 2 but missing winter soldier is a bold move

I didn't like the first - why would I watch the second (when I say I haven't seen the first, it's more like I've seen the first half of the movie several times but I get bored and my ADHD kicks in and I go do something else)? I went and watched the third because my wife and I had the opportunity to see a movie together while our children were otherwise occupied and it was the best of what was in the theaters (and everyone was saying it was must watch).

But it's nice to know you're getting all "judgey" about what movies I have and haven't seen. How about you worry about you and not worry about me - hmm'kay?
 

State43

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I didn't like the first - why would I watch the second (when I say I haven't seen the first, it's more like I've seen the first half of the movie several times but I get bored and my ADHD kicks in and I go do something else)? I went and watched the third because my wife and I had the opportunity to see a movie together while our children were otherwise occupied and it was the best of what was in the theaters (and everyone was saying it was must watch).

But it's nice to know you're getting all "judgey" about what movies I have and haven't seen. How about you worry about you and not worry about me - hmm'kay?
A little touchy aren't we? It was a joke, we can still make those. Lighten up
 

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The more troubling thing to me was the fact that I couldn't tell in the moment whether I should or shouldn't know who Black Panther was. Even more troubling is I had a better idea of who Black Panther was - a character that had never shown up before.
I think in the context of the plot, you're not supposed to know who Black Panther is. The characters themselves are even left wondering "who the hell is the cat in the black suit?" until he pulls off his mask midway through the movie.The only tease in the MCU I *think* is the visit to Wakanda in Age of Ultron, but there may be another reference to Wakanda in Iron Man 2, Wakanda being a location highlighted on a map somewhere in the background.
 

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I didn't like the first - why would I watch the second (when I say I haven't seen the first, it's more like I've seen the first half of the movie several times but I get bored and my ADHD kicks in and I go do something else)? I went and watched the third because my wife and I had the opportunity to see a movie together while our children were otherwise occupied and it was the best of what was in the theaters (and everyone was saying it was must watch).

But it's nice to know you're getting all "judgey" about what movies I have and haven't seen. How about you worry about you and not worry about me - hmm'kay?

Its alright guys. I do believe State43 was just making a joke with it with no harm intended. He is simply just playing off the fact that Thor 2 has widely become one of the kicking balls of the MCU (although I'm in the minority that thinks it is underrated: see my rankings I just posted), while Captain America: The Winter Soldier has come to be known as one of the best, if not the best MCU movie to date. Granted, a lot of casual viewers don't know this stuff either. With that said, I get where maybe someone didn't care for the first Cap movie, so they didn't end up wanting to see the second for sure. However, I would encourage you to give the second movie a shot based both on its critical acclaim, as well as the fact that it is drastically different than the first cap movie (much more like Civil War and takes place in modern day). Also, simply from a context standpoint, Civil War probably relied more on your watching of Cap 2 more so than any other MCU movie, but then again, it was kind of meant to being a Cap movie and all.

Moving forward though on your context point, I fully get some casual viewers frustrations with not being able to understand Civil War as a standalone movie without being fairly knowledgeable of the previous movies, but that was actually an intentional choice by Marvel/Disney on this movie. In fact, the following is an article which talks about how this is the first movie where Marvel/Disney is saying screw it, we aren't catering to the casual fans wanting a stand-alone popcorn flick anymore. Moving forward, they feel they've established themselves well enough in popular culture/sentiment that people need to follow along if they want to fully understand their movies. The MCU is just getting too dense not to.


http://www.comicbookmovie.com/capta.../marvel-studios-no-longer-catering-to-a141280

I will say that I'm on board with this move by Disney/Marvel, but it will inevitably anger some of the casual viewers out there for sure. In their defense, these are comic book movies and these immersive shared universes are what comic books have always been like, and what comic book fans have been waiting years for to also surface in the movies. There is no doubt, a few viewers will be turned off though in the end and fall away.
 
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In case you didn't already see this, Netflix recently just struck a deal with Disney to be the exclusive provider of all their content, which includes Marvel, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and other Disney stuff. This will start this September. Now, keep in mind that this deal doesn't mean that all their stuff will suddenly appear as available all the time, but my guess is that the content volume will definitely jump to some extent from what they currently have and then rotate around some. This could also mean good things for maybe some future team-ups between the two companies, such as that long rumored Netflix streaming live-action Star Wars show that has been out there for a while. If it happened, most are expecting it to be similar to what Marvel did with its Netflix series like Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Again, that is just rumor, but I would love to see it happen. I'd also be cool with bringing in some Netflix original MCU movies, like going this route for a Hawkeye or Black Widow movie.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/23/11745506/netflix-disney-pixar-marvel-lucasfilm-exclusive-september
 

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In case you didn't already see this, Netflix recently just struck a deal with Disney to be the exclusive provider of all their content, which includes Marvel, Pixar, Lucasfilm, and other Disney stuff. This will start this September. Now, keep in mind that this deal doesn't mean that all their stuff will suddenly appear as available all the time, but my guess is that the content volume will definitely jump to some extent from what they currently have and then rotate around some. This could also mean good things for maybe some future team-ups between the two companies, such as that long rumored Netflix streaming live-action Star Wars show that has been out there for a while. If it happened, most are expecting it to be similar to what Marvel did with its Netflix series like Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/23/11745506/netflix-disney-pixar-marvel-lucasfilm-exclusive-september

Maybe that Agents of Shield spin-off show that got turned down by ABC could end up on Netflix?

I have a feeling that Inhumans may be dropped from the movie slate altogether and be destined for Netflix - I don't know much about the Inhumans, but that seems better suited for multiple TV seasons rather than 1 or 2 stand-alone movies.
 

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