COACHING SEARCH: Campbell up, Fleck down

Rogue52

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To be fair, it's Pollard's fault we talk about religion because he said it was a factor in the hiring of Prohm.
 

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I don't give crap about his religion. It shouldn't be pushed on others....I don't care what that is. Chizik pushed his religion on others and that was obvious when they hired a chaplain!

And campbells offensive philosophy is just like chiziks.

Chizik 2.0.

So you don't care but you do care.

Whatever.
 

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Making donations gives a person power in just about any industry or profession, just not at the "consumer" level that you and I are used to. Don't be nieve, money equals power in any form.

In terms of religion, people just need to shut up about it. Yes, being a family man with some guidance of faith is a requirement for JP, but there isn't a litmus test or requirement on siting bible verses so just stop with that nonsense.

The more you look at sideline demeanor, interviews, etc the more I think the Kiffin comparison for Fleck carries some weight. Of course that's based on observations and never having talked directly with either.
 

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I think that's what the poster was getting at though. Not that they had an issue with the coach's religion, but that Pollard loves to hire bible beaters. To the extent that he clearly has that as part of his evaluation of prospective coaches.

That seems like a hell of a violation of the separation of church and state at a state institution.
 

CyArob

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I'll take anyone after watching this West Virginia game.
 

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I don't give crap about his religion. It shouldn't be pushed on others....I don't care what that is. Chizik pushed his religion on others and that was obvious when they hired a chaplain!

And campbells offensive philosophy is just like chiziks.

Chizik 2.0.

In hindsight, wasn't it obvious that this position was just a bagman?
 

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I'm not on the Fleck bandwagon. I saw Tim Brewster, the ultimate used car salesman, up here for Minnesota. Talked a great game and could recruit, but his teams were very fundamentally unsound. Whether fair or not, Fleck reminds me of him. Now, Fleck has actually been a HC (Brewster had never been more than a position coach), but I don't see his schtick going over well. Admittedly, if he wins, all will be fine. Seems like his approach would wear itself out after a few years...

I like what I've heard of Fritz. Maybe Campbell as well. Dark horse - NC State coach? Not likely, I suppose.

I find it odd that some think this is a great place to bash Christians. Don't see any need for that. I'm glad to see Jamie emphasize a family, clean-cut approach and expect that a majority of the fan base wants to like their coach and what he and the team represent. If that would somehow preclude winning, then I could see why some would be concerned. Don't see that as an issue.
 

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I think that's what the poster was getting at though. Not that they had an issue with the coach's religion, but that Pollard loves to hire bible beaters. To the extent that he clearly has that as part of his evaluation of prospective coaches.

The only "fit" that matters should be ability to win. Of course, a bad fit may hurt the chance they succeed here, but it still should not be an objective in itself. Plus how much of that "fit" is can JP get along with him and does he live a life JP approves of?

Hopefully Leath is very, very involved.
 

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I'm not on the Fleck bandwagon. I saw Tim Brewster, the ultimate used car salesman, up here for Minnesota. Talked a great game and could recruit, but his teams were very fundamentally unsound. Whether fair or not, Fleck reminds me of him. Now, Fleck has actually been a HC (Brewster had never been more than a position coach), but I don't see his schtick going over well. Admittedly, if he wins, all will be fine. Seems like his approach would wear itself out after a few years...

I like what I've heard of Fritz. Maybe Campbell as well. Dark horse - NC State coach? Not likely, I suppose.

I find it odd that some think this is a great place to bash Christians. Don't see any need for that. I'm glad to see Jamie emphasize a family, clean-cut approach and expect that a majority of the fan base wants to like their coach and what he and the team represent. If that would somehow preclude winning, then I could see why some would be concerned. Don't see that as an issue.

I see both sides. I like the idea of it from the point that we want someone who is a good person. I also see the concern that we don't want to push it on people.
 

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Making donations gives a person power in just about any industry or profession, just not at the "consumer" level that you and I are used to. Don't be nieve, money equals power in any form.

In terms of religion, people just need to shut up about it. Yes, being a family man with some guidance of faith is a requirement, but there isn't a litmus test or requirement on siting bible verses so just stop with that nonsense.

The more you look at sideline demeanor, interviews, etc the more I think the Kiffin comparison for Fleck carries some weight. Of course that's based on observations and never having talked directly with either.

That is a stupid requirement. Hire whoever is going to be the best football coach and win the most games, whether they are a "family man" or not. If the best candidate is single and has no children, then we damn sure better hire the best candidate.
 

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I'll take anyone after watching this West Virginia game.

I would do it. Should probably email Pollard saying im interested. I am looking for $100,000 and open tabs to all restaurants in Ames. I am willing to go down to $50,000, but probably shouldnt tell him that.
 

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Making donations gives a person power in just about any industry or profession, just not at the "consumer" level that you and I are used to. Don't be nieve, money equals power in any form.

In terms of religion, people just need to shut up about it. Yes, being a family man with some guidance of faith is a requirement, but there isn't a litmus test or requirement on siting bible verses so just stop with that nonsense.

The more you look at sideline demeanor, interviews, etc the more I think the Kiffin comparison for Fleck carries some weight. Of course that's based on observations and never having talked directly with either.

And why is being a family man guided by faith a requirement?
 

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That is a stupid requirement. Hire whoever is going to be the best football coach and win the most games, whether they are a "family man" or not. If the best candidate is single and has no children, then we damn sure better hire the best candidate.

You can be single and still fulfill that requirement.
 

CyArob

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I would do it. Should probably email Pollard saying im interested. I am looking for $100,000 and open tabs to all restaurants in Ames. I am willing to go down to $50,000, but probably shouldnt tell him that.

I'm filling out my application right now.
 

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