Sagarin vs CFPB10 Committee

[timinatoria]

That is some pretty damning evidence right there of the HUGE Big Ten bias in this committee. It's unreal.

Iowa has one win against a ranked team and that is #20 Northwestern, who by the way is #34 in Sagarin, so they shouldn't really even be ranked.

How TCU was 18th this week and will now drop further and possibly even out of the top 25 is just beyond ridiculous. And how Baylor could be 10th and Ohio State 3rd this week was also a travesty. Ohio State is getting credit for winning it all last year, even though the committee themselves have said last year has no impact on this year.

It's all a joke. Just the fact that the committee has members on it that will benefit directly if certain teams make it in is laughable.... not to mention that the conferences don't even have equal representation on the committee either. How Bowlsby can go along with this and not question this process every year as his conference continues to get screwed is beyond me. He should be canned and someone should be put in there that works FOR the Big 12, not against it.

Serious question, when did Sagarin become 'evidence'? Are you saying his rankings are 100% spot on? Flawless? You know he has Texas ranked 5 spots over ISU?

Would you like CFB to abandon all rankings and just use Sagarin to determine the playoffs every year?

 

[CyFan61]

Serious question, when did Sagarin become 'evidence'? Are you saying his rankings are 100% spot on? Flawless? You know he has Texas ranked 5 spots over ISU?

Should teams always be ranked ahead of teams they beat? That is impossible. Texas beat Oklahoma. By far the best win out of UT and ISU combined.

 

[HFCS]

Serious question, when did Sagarin become 'evidence'? Are you saying his rankings are 100% spot on? Flawless? You know he has Texas ranked 5 spots over ISU?

Would you like CFB to abandon all rankings and just use Sagarin to determine the playoffs every year?

Sagarin itself is not evidence.

When for TWO YEARS STRAIGHT the committee ranks every Big ten team higher than computers and every big 12 team lower than computers...that's compelling evidence that the committee has a slant.

Anybody who isn't a total moron could just look at the people on the committee and know there's a 100% chance it'd be Big Ten slanted. This is simple stuff.

 

[timinatoria]

LSU is average. They struggled with Syracuse and have no passing game. Their best win is over a VERY overrated Florida team. Has Florida impressed you the last 2 games? A 2 point win over Vandy and OT vs FAU? If LSU was in any other conference they would be ranked 25th at best.

And Ole Miss has 3 losses, do those count? They lost by 28 against Florida(see above) and by 13 to an unranked 3 loss Memphis team.

 

[HFCS]

LSU is average. They struggled with Syracuse and have no passing game. Their best win is over a VERY overrated Florida team. Has Florida impressed you the last 2 games? A 2 point win over Vandy and OT vs FAU? If LSU was in any other conference they would be ranked 25th at best.

And Ole Miss has 3 losses, do those count? They lost by 28 against Florida(see above) and by 13 to an unranked 3 loss Memphis team.

I'm not arguing Ole Miss should be #1. #10 is not a crazy ranking for them though.

They've won games Iowa, Michigan State and Ohio State likely would not have won. They have more talent than any Big Ten team other than Ohio State.

If you want to find an anomaly in Sagarin Stanford at #7 is more silly than Ole Miss at #10. No anomalies in Sagarin are as stupid as where the committee has TCU ranked.

 

[timinatoria]

Sagarin itself is not evidence.

When for TWO YEARS STRAIGHT the committee ranks every Big ten team higher than computers and every big 12 team lower than computers...that's compelling evidence that the committee has a slant.

Anybody who isn't a total moron could just look at the people on the committee and know there's a 100% chance it'd be Big Ten slanted. This is simple stuff.

So with all this bias, you are saying the committee will put an undeserving B1G team in the playoffs? 2 B1G teams in? What is the endgame to this 'conspiracy'?

 

[HFCS]

So with all this bias, you are saying the committee will put an undeserving B1G team in the playoffs? 2 B1G teams in? What is the endgame to this 'conspiracy'?

It's not a conspiracy. It's out in the open that the committee has 2 Big Ten legends and another Big Ten member and one no name from the Big 12. You're starting to bore me. I said I'm fine with Iowa at #4 anyway so shake the sand out of your crack.

 

[timinatoria]

How many people are on the committee again?

 

[clonedude]

Over and over again the committee talks about needing to play a tough schedule and have good wins.... yet Ohio State had neither up until this week and were at #3, but Baylor got crucified for not having played or beat anyone.

The bias is obvious. How can Big 12 teams all be ranked lower by the committee than the computers rank them, and all the Big 10 teams are ranked higher by the committee than the computers. I'm sorry, but that is obvious bias. If you can't see that, then I don't know what that says about your level of intelligence. I know you're a Hok fan, but even you have to be smarter than that?

 

[HFCS]

Over and over again the committee talks about needing to play a tough schedule and have good wins.... yet Ohio State had neither up until this week and were at #3, but Baylor got crucified for not having played or beat anyone.

The bias is obvious. How can Big 12 teams all be ranked lower by the committee than the computers rank them, and all the Big 10 teams are ranked higher by the committee than the computers. I'm sorry, but that is obvious bias. If you can't see that, then I don't know what that says about your level of intelligence. I know you're a Hok fan, but even you have to be smarter than that?

Everything the committee has ever said should point to Ohio State being about 14th or 15th this week.

I fail to see how TCU could be 18th this week and Ohio State somehow in the top ten next week. One or the other is seriously busted.

 

[timinatoria]

You know there are probably over 25 different computer rankings out there? Is this Big 10 bias evident with all the other computer rankings too or just Sagarin?

 

[timinatoria]

I agree, and Baylor will make a big move up. It will all work out fairly in the end. That's why I think all this bias talk is just stupid.

Let's just pray Stanford beats Notre Dame then we'll put in the SEC, ACC, B1G and Big12 champs and have at it.

 

[HFCS]

You know there are probably over 25 different computer rankings out there? Is this Big 10 bias evident with all the other computer rankings too or just Sagarin?

Quite simply, yes.
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

*note Sagarin is updated sunday morning and this composite of all rankings is outdated now by a week in many of it's components
*also note this includes some computer polls that are completely horrible
*note this also includes human voter polls
*note despite all this it still shows the same trend that the committee overrates Big Ten teams and underrates Big 12 teams

 

[CyFan61]

You know there are probably over 25 different computer rankings out there? Is this Big 10 bias evident with all the other computer rankings too or just Sagarin?

Let's use the Massey composite, then. It has 118 computer rankings compiled into a composite. These compare the CFP rankings from last Tuesday to the Massey composite rankings from before this weekend's games. I went through the top 10 teams in each ranking to compare.


Teams Overrated by the Committee
Iowa (+2)
Michigan State (+2)
Clemson (+1)
Notre Dame (+1)


Teams Underrated by the Committee
TCU (-8)
Oklahoma (-3)
Alabama (-1)
Baylor (-1)

 

[HFCS]

Let's use the Massey composite, then. It has 118 computer rankings compiled into a composite. These compare the CFP rankings from last Tuesday to the Massey composite rankings from before this weekend's games. I went through the top 10 teams in each ranking to compare.


Teams Overrated by the Committee
Iowa (+2)
Michigan State (+2)
Clemson (+1)
Notre Dame (+1)


Teams Underrated by the Committee
TCU (-8)
Oklahoma (-3)
Alabama (-1)
Baylor (-1)

Even when you include the really bad computer polls and human voter polls like massey index does it's incredibly obvious to see the committee pumps up Big Ten teams and pushes down Big 12 teams. It's obvious, a quick glance at the committee's makeup tells any rational human being that this was going to be the case from day 1.

 

[timinatoria]

Even when you include the really bad computer polls and human voter polls like massey index does it's incredibly obvious to see the committee pumps up Big Ten teams and pushes down Big 12 teams. It's obvious, a quick glance at the committee's makeup tells any rational human being that this was going to be the case from day 1.

You can make a case for TCU and maybe Oklahoma, but when you get down to plus/minus 1 or 2, I think you're splitting hairs.

Personally I don't understand why anyone gets worked up until the final poll. Also, I think poor defense in the Big 12 hurts their 'eye test'(I hate that I just used that stupid term). Games with 1500 yards are bad for the conference rep.

 

[HFCS]

You can make a case for TCU and maybe Oklahoma, but when you get down to plus/minus 1 or 2, I think you're splitting hairs.

Personally I don't understand why anyone gets worked up until the final poll. Also, I think poor defense in the Big 12 hurts their 'eye test'(I hate that I just used that stupid term). Games with 1500 yards are bad for the conference rep.

I think you're horrible at math and statistics. Even if it's only one or two spots, if it's one or two spots the same direction year after year, that's kind of the definition of bias.

If the committee had Barry Switzer, Mac Brown, and Jamie Pollard on it, while the only Big Ten representative was the Rutgers AD, would you expect the Big Ten to get the exact same representation and voice? Of course you wouldn't. Unless you are an idiot.

 

[timinatoria]

No need to be a **** about it. Just one guys opinion. Like I said, Stanford over ND solves everything.

 

[HFCS]

No need to be a **** about it. Just one guys opinion. Like I said, Stanford over ND solves everything.

I'm being a realist, not a ****.

The committee has Barry Switzer, Mac Brown and Jamie Pollard while the Big Ten only has a Rutgers AD whose name you don't even know. That's the perspective you need to understand it's out-in-the-open simple common sense and not some crazy conspiracy.

Of course it's going to be slanted, the membership is slanted.

 

[timinatoria]

If you say so.