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*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Thursday, June 4 ***

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All these guys have their strengths and weaknesses. At least ISU is doing a more thorough search than originally thought would happen. Maybe it was goi g to happen anyway. Maybe Otz will be the one. At least ISU might find a Tim Floyd or Larry or whoever.
 
bawbie said:
I'd agree with that. I did some more digging. The 3 previous years (2012-2014) there were 23 P5+BigEast coaching changes. I found 3 where a P5+BigEast coach was pulled from another P5+BigEast school: Cuonzo Martin was hired by Cal away from Tennessee Buzz Williams was hired by Virginia Tech away from Marquette Frank Martin was hired by South Carolina away from Kansas State That's not exactly a Murder's Row of winning coaches...
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Rick Barnes went from Texas to Tennessee this season and will do well. Bill Self went from Illinois to Kansas with pretty good results. Same with Roy Williams from Kansas to Carolina. Tubby Smith won a national title in year one after going from Georgia to Kentucky. That means nothing in respect to the current ISU coaching search. Looking for some template of previous success is pointless and will not be relevant.
 
bawbie said:
I just don't get how people are ABSOLUTELY SURE that this is the case, purely by looking at his resume. The two people who would know best whether TJ is ready to be a head coach are Pollard and Hoiberg, because they've both worked with him. Pollard has worked with him for most of the last 10 years.

I relate this back to my job. I'm in a management position that I would have never been chosen for if my resume had blindly come in the door, but the hiring manager had worked with me for almost 10 years, had seen me do all the tasks involved in the positions and in many respects "groomed" me for the position. Sometimes you know someone is ready for a job based off of their performance over a long period of time. That shouldn't be discounted simply because another resume looks better.

But none of that matters, because there is a subsection of our fanbase that implicitly distrusts Pollard for what ever reason and no matter what choice he makes, they will dislike it because he was the one making the choice.
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Yes, but how are you doing in said management position? Is productivity up or down? How about LEAN savings, any progress there?

We're going to need to see your last 3 performance reviews...as well as conduct skip level reviews with your direct reports before we can agree that you should've been handed the keys to that high-powered Ferrari of a group.
 
501Clone said:
With the staff that I've been told TJ will assemble makes me really hope he's our next HC.
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Why would someone that hasn't been promised the job yet be assembling a staff? I'd be more concerned that Otz is planning a coup d'état of the entire ISU athletic department in the event that he doesn't get the job.
 
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bawbie said:
I'd agree with that. I did some more digging. The 3 previous years (2012-2014) there were 23 P5+BigEast coaching changes. I found 3 where a P5+BigEast coach was pulled from another P5+BigEast school: Cuonzo Martin was hired by Cal away from Tennessee Buzz Williams was hired by Virginia Tech away from Marquette Frank Martin was hired by South Carolina away from Kansas State That's not exactly a Murder's Row of winning coaches...
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What about Bruce Weber from Illinois to Kansas State or Tubby Smith from Minnesota to Texas Tech?
 
501Clone said:
With the staff that I've been told TJ will assemble makes me really hope he's our next HC.
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I am 100% certain that you have not been told who TJ would hire as his assistants. Maybe you have been told who someone is speculating he MIGHT hire as his assistants. There is a difference.
 
Cyclonesince78 said:
Why would someone that hasn't been promised the job yet be assembling a staff? I'd be more concerned that Otz is planning a coup d'état of the entire ISU athletic department in the event that he doesn't get the job.
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Its pretty common to gauge interest in a staff if you are wanting a HC position...
 
randomfan44 said:
Rick Barnes went from Texas to Tennessee this season and will do well. Bill Self went from Illinois to Kansas with pretty good results. Same with Roy Williams from Kansas to Carolina. Tubby Smith won a national title in year one after going from Georgia to Kentucky. That means nothing in respect to the current ISU coaching search. Looking for some template of previous success is pointless and will not be relevant.
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Barnes was fired from Texas. We are not on a par with Kansas or UNC or Kentucky.

My point wasn't in regards to previous templates, my point was to show that expectations that we should be able to attract a P5 coach are ridiculous and baseless.
 
ISU4ME said:
100% dead on. People who are so against hiring someone with little leadership experience likely have never held a position where they had to hire someone.
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Hiring is an inexact science. I'm sure everyone who's made a few hires has had some go sideways. It's the nature of the beast.

A gambler who wins on 60% of her bets is a pretty good gambler. I look at hiring almost the same way. No matter how good the process is there will always be employees hired who aren't a good fit
 
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