List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

[clone52]

Here thing....TJ is on staff!!!!!!! He's already here!!!!! He's not leaving!!!!! Go hire a coach with actual head coaching experience and retain TJ. Done. The new HC isn't going to kick off the one guy who has all the ties and relationships to the entire roster not to mention all the potential recruits. Happens all the time where a coach for previous staff is retained. Like TJ when Fred was hired. Right now TJ only know attribute is recruiting. How does JP know if he can recruit at the same level when TJ is the head coach? most not all but most players come play for a HC.

So its a guarentee that the new coach would want to keep TJ? Its also a guarentee that TJ would want to stay on with a new head coach?

My question is this? Who do you trust more to decide who is a better coach for ISU in the future? Pollard or Fred? Should Pollard ignore Fred's input altogether?

 

[bosco]

So just say it. You think Jamie Pollard's judgement on who should coach next year's ISU basketball team is better than Fred Hoiberg's judgement.

The decision should be what is best for the program not for the year.
Yes, JP's judgment is a lot better than Hoiberg's because JP's job might be on the line. Fred's too busy thinking about how to keep Butler in town and Rose healthy.

 

[clone52]

Of course Fred will recommend Otz.
He won't recommend Hornacek right now, because Hornacek has a job with the Suns.
However, if you asked Fred, what would be better for ISU right now:
A) Otz Head coach.
B) Jeff Hornacek Head coach, Otz Assistant coach and lead recruiter.

He would probably say Option B.

Just because you think Option B is a better option doesn't mean that Fred thinks option B is a better option. Option B is no guarentee (Jeff would want to keep Otz and Otz would want to be an assistant to Jeff). Plus, Fred is a very good judge of talent.

 

[IAStubborn]

If Fred gives Otz a 100% endorsement, then you say, "Thanks for that, we will keep it in mind when we do our coaching search. Good luck in Chi."

You then call Hornacek and offer him a deal.
If he declines, you then call Brad Underwood and offer him a deal.
If he declines, you then come up with a contract for Otz.
He accepts and you play it off as if Otz was the one and only coach we were going after.

And that is exactly my thinking. I would be fine with Otz and think he would be less of a gamble than most folks think including Archie Miller and many coaches mentioned. all three maintain brand and style. 2 are prove Head coaches 2 are proven recruiters one is a splash hire and wouldnbe attractive to recruits and the media. Hornaceknis a nonbrainer and if thats a no So is Underwood (I think he would take it btw) if those fail Otz would be a very good bet.

 

[clone52]

The decision should be what is best for the program not for the year.
Yes, JP's judgment is a lot better than Hoiberg's because JP's job might be on the line. Fred's too busy thinking about how to keep Butler in town and Rose healthy.

How was JP's judgement when he hired McDermott instead of Hoiberg?

If Fred was retiring due to health instead of leaving for the NBA, would you then put more weight on Fred's judgement? Would you still not trust Fred?

 

[HoopsTournament]

You would rather have Pollard do the search on his own? You wouldn't want Pollard to heavily weight the opinion of the coach who put the team together? The coach who was well on his way to becoming the President of an NBA team? You don't becoming an NBA President without having an eye for basketball talent. Fred has forgotten more about what it takes to be a successful college basketball coach than Pollard has ever known. I don't want Pollard to blindly do what Fred says, but if I ever find out that Fred endorsed Coach A and Pollard said, no, I think Coach B would be better, so I'll go with him.

I seem to remember that several years ago Fred Hoiberg highly recommended a very young, inexperienced person to become the coach of Iowa State. Pollard didn't think Fred was right about that and thought the man he endorsed wasn't ready, so Pollard did his due dilagence and instead hired a hot up-and-coming coach from a mid-major program. It didn't work out to well for Pollard to not take Fred's advice that time.

I am fine with Pollard asking Fred's advice, but I want it to be the decision of those still employed at ISU.

 

[bosco]

How was JP's judgement when he hired McDermott instead of Hoiberg?

If Fred was retiring due to health instead of leaving for the NBA, would you then put more weight on Fred's judgement? Would you still not trust Fred?

I do not trust Fred's's judgment implicitly. This decision has direct impact on the health of the program and JP's well being and not Fred's.

 

[00clone]

Just because you think Option B is a better option doesn't mean that Fred thinks option B is a better option. Option B is no guarentee (Jeff would want to keep Otz and Otz would want to be an assistant to Jeff). Plus, Fred is a very good judge of talent.

Right, we get it, let me mayor athletic director...Yes, Fred is a very good judge of talent, but he has no vested interest in making the right hire. He does, however, have a vested interest in helping his former assistants succeed. We're not saying JP is smarter than Fred, but Fred's not in a position to provide reliable information that regards the future of ISU Men's basketball. If Fred were in Jamie's seat, by all means, I'd love to hear who he had in mind to hire, and I think he'd make a great decision, but because Fred's sitting in Fred's seat (for now), I wouldn't weigh his recommendations that highly going forward. And that's not out of bitterness or spite, it's just that his recommendations might fit his agenda and not those best for ISU...I mean, we may have seen a little of that behavior in the last few weeks or so, with how this has gone down, eh? Honestly, with Chris' comments about what we could afford vs. what Jamie will afford, yeah, I have my doubts, too, but at least he lives or dies with this hire...Fred could recommend Big Bird and it has no effect on him going forward.

I honestly think Otz might well have been brought back as a recruiting plan going forward for a coach without much recruiting history or interest. Horny fits that mold. He may well have been brought back as a potential head coach candidate too, IDK...but Fred likes him, let's hire him, doesn't sway me much. He's got his agenda, and it shouldn't influence ISU's future more than JP's.

 

[IAStubborn]

I am fine with Pollard asking Fred's advice, but I want it to be the decision of those still employed at ISU.

I want a poll were you can vote for multiple coaches that you would be satisfied with among the lists and names suggested.

I am curious which coaches would be highest. or have 60% plus support.

 

[clone52]

I am fine with Pollard asking Fred's advice, but I want it to be the decision of those still employed at ISU.

Fair enough, its definitely Pollard's *** on the line and he needs to make the final decision, but from the outside looking in, all 3 of Hornacek, Underwood and Otz have risks associated with them. The recommendation from Fred would weigh heavily on my decision.

Hornacek could be a great hire, but it also has all the makings of a "Losing Fred is a potential disaster that will send huge shock waves through the fan base. Hornacek might not be the best choice long term, but he's the best choice to satisfy the fan base."

Honestly, hiring Hornacek would be the hire that would make the largest portion of the fan base happpy and I would wonder if that was the reason he was hired.

To be fair, a hiring of Otz could definitely be seen as a panic hire to keep the team together for 1 year even if its not the best choice long term.

Underwood doesn't have either of those risks, but if ISU hires him for a starting salary of say, 1.2 million, you might think they hired him to save money.

Hiring any one of those guys would leave question marks on why they were hired.

 

[clone52]

Right, we get it, let me mayor athletic director...Yes, Fred is a very good judge of talent, but he has no vested interest in making the right hire. He does, however, have a vested interest in helping his former assistants succeed. We're not saying JP is smarter than Fred, but Fred's not in a position to provide reliable information that regards the future of ISU Men's basketball. If Fred were in Jamie's seat, by all means, I'd love to hear who he had in mind to hire, and I think he'd make a great decision, but because Fred's sitting in Fred's seat (for now), I wouldn't weigh his recommendations that highly going forward. And that's not out of bitterness or spite, it's just that his recommendations might fit his agenda and not those best for ISU...I mean, we may have seen a little of that behavior in the last few weeks or so, with how this has gone down, eh? Honestly, with Chris' comments about what we could afford vs. what Jamie will afford, yeah, I have my doubts, too, but at least he lives or dies with this hire...Fred could recommend Big Bird and it has no effect on him going forward.

I honestly think Otz might well have been brought back as a recruiting plan going forward for a coach without much recruiting history or interest. Horny fits that mold. He may well have been brought back as a potential head coach candidate too, IDK...but Fred likes him, let's hire him, doesn't sway me much. He's got his agenda, and it shouldn't influence ISU's future more than JP's.

Fred does have a vested interest. He's an alum. He's a fan. He doesn't want Iowa STate basketball to go into a gutter. Unless you actually believe that Fred leaving would mean he doesn't care one iota for the future of Iowa State basketball.

 

[IAStubborn]

Fair enough, its definitely Pollard's *** on the line and he needs to make the final decision, but from the outside looking in, all 3 of Hornacek, Underwood and Otz have risks associated with them. The recommendation from Fred would weigh heavily on my decision.

Hornacek could be a great hire, but it also has all the makings of a "Losing Fred is a potential disaster that will send huge shock waves through the fan base. Hornacek might not be the best choice long term, but he's the best choice to satisfy the fan base."

Honestly, hiring Hornacek would be the hire that would make the largest portion of the fan base happpy and I would wonder if that was the reason he was hired.

To be fair, a hiring of Otz could definitely be seen as a panic hire to keep the team together for 1 year even if its not the best choice long term.

Underwood doesn't have either of those risks, but if ISU hires him for a starting salary of say, 1.2 million, you might think they hired him to save money.

Hiring any one of those guys would leave question marks on why they were hired.

So hire Underwood for 2 million

 

[j4state]

Promoting Otz would be the most Iowa State move ever. Path of least resistance for JP who can also underpay the position, while getting someone who "loves ISU" and is assumed a longer leash with the fanbase.

 

[Dingus]

Some of you seem to fail to realize this is Chris's list, not Pollard's. We have no idea who's on Pollard's list. Chris makes no claim regarding validity of most of these names.

Most of the suggestions by posters here (Doc? LE, etc) just show how uninformed/ uncreative most of us are concerning this subject. And I'm fully including myself. I can't tell who's a good coach except for who does well.

I've enjoyed the mentions outside what's been bouncing around the echo chamber for weeks- MSU guy, SFA coach, Murray st guy, etc.

 

[00clone]

Fred does have a vested interest. He's an alum. He's a fan. He doesn't want Iowa STate basketball to go into a gutter. Unless you actually believe that Fred leaving would mean he doesn't care one iota for the future of Iowa State basketball.

No, I don't think he doesn't care one iota...but I think he's proven that he cares more about his agenda than what's best for ISU Men's Basketball, and thus, since he has no more vested interest than a random fan, his opinion should be regarded only slightly higher than that, and it needs to be vetted by JP, who actually does have a vested interest.

 

[Tornado man]

Fred holds two coaches that he played for in very high esteem, both now coaching in Texas: Larry Brown and Tim Floyd. I'd bet he would push for both to be contacted by Pollard.

 

[hawkeye_t]

I haven't read all 34 pages of this thread but I just wanted to comment on Leon Rice. I am a Hawk fan living in Boise and really like Coach Rice. I certainly think there are questions in regards to Midwest vs West ties, non power 5 experience, NBA ties. I think Coach Rice is a throw-back basketball coach. He lives at the gym, knows every coach in D1 and will leave no stone unturned (International players, recruiting outside the traditional areas, etc). He also believes in an exciting brand of basketball that ISU fans have been shown. BSU has played in the first four games in Dayton the last two years and lost, but probably had the better team and some terrible luck both times.

I think ISU could do better than Coach Rice, but I also think could do worse. I assume that Tim Floyd and Ben Jacobsen won't be the next coach at ISU if Fred leaves but if it came down to either if them or Coach Rice, I would choose Coach Rice any day because of his system. It is an exciting brand of basketball, IMHO.

 

[cyclones500]

I want Hornacek too. But we shouldn't back up the money truck. Make him a reasonable offer. If he passes, move on to the next guy. Let's not mortgage the athletic department on a semi-unknown.

I just get the feeling Pollard will make only one calculated offer ... he'll determine who's "The Guy" and he'll land him. We may disagree about His Guy, but he won't start with best-case and then settle. That strategy has advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Cy$]

I haven't read all 34 pages of this thread but I just wanted to comment on Leon Rice. I am a Hawk fan living in Boise and really like Coach Rice. I certainly think there are questions in regards to Midwest vs West ties, non power 5 experience, NBA ties. I think Coach Rice is a throw-back basketball coach. He lives at the gym, knows every coach in D1 and will leave no stone unturned (International players, recruiting outside the traditional areas, etc). He also believes in an exciting brand of basketball that ISU fans have been shown. BSU has played in the first four games in Dayton the last two years and lost, but probably had the better team and some terrible luck both times.

I think ISU could do better than Coach Rice, but I also think could do worse. I assume that Tim Floyd and Ben Jacobsen won't be the next coach at ISU if Fred leaves but if it came down to either if them or Coach Rice, I would choose Coach Rice any day because of his system. It is an exciting brand of basketball, IMHO.

Rice wouldn't be a horrible choice. Iowa State played Boise St. in the tournament in Hawaii a couple years ago and gave ISU a good game. The best player on the Broncos came from Illinois (Marks would start here).

He did a really good job this year as his 2nd best player, Drmic, went out for the season because of injury. They struggled in the non-conference and made a Wayne Morgan-Curtis Stinson type of run to lead into an NCAA birth that looked impossible a couple months earlier.

He does have a factor that other coaches might not have, his ability to recruit internationally. He recruits Canada pretty well and from past players, Canada is really improving in basketball, just look at the pros that have came out of Canada (Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Olynyk, Nik Stauskas to name a few). Iowa State has recruited some good players already from Canada (Ejim, Naz Long). Hoiberg had a similar thing with transfers that got him an advantage earlier. Doesn't have to be just Canada, but a coach that recruits internationally would be interesting.

ISU isn't a great sell, but still a bit better than Boise, Idaho...

Also, screw those guys for the Seneca Wallace bowl game. Playing a home game in a bowl game is stupid as crap. Getting revenge while stealing the best basketball coach they've had in awhile would be cool.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Some of you seem to fail to realize this is Chris's list, not Pollard's. We have no idea who's on Pollard's list. Chris makes no claim regarding validity of most of these names.

Most of the suggestions by posters here (Doc? LE, etc) just show how uninformed/ uncreative most of us are concerning this subject. And I'm fully including myself. I can't tell who's a good coach except for who does well.

I've enjoyed the mentions outside what's been bouncing around the echo chamber for weeks- MSU guy, SFA coach, Murray st guy, etc.

How about Jeter? Or Gillipsie?