Anyone else disgusted with the officials?

[1UNI2ISU]

If they called every moving pick, games would take 4 hours and would be 2 on 2 by the middle of the second half. It's very rare that any screen isn't illegal in some way.

Also, Paul Janssen is a good official and all in all Janssen, Kimble, and Daily is a very solid crew. Making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

 

[carvers4math]

One thing that drove me nuts and is also a practice of the Hoks was the delay tactics to set up the press after made bucket. They warned them once for swatting the ball but after that they would thug our guys so they couldn't pick up the ball to take it out of bounds. That is still delaying the game.

 

[CascadeClone]

5) In tonight's game I found it amazing how many times WV was able to get away with mugging us but then we would get called for such a small amount of contact. What we were called on were fouls but the amount of non calls on them were atrocious.

This is the key insight to last night. There were the normal bad calls either way that you expect in any game, and those didn't impact the outcome much, IMO.

But what WV got away with, consistently! Under the basket: pushing, shoving, grabbing - it was absolutely unbelieveable. They probably called 1/10 fouls actually committed under the basket. There was a lot of slapping and hacking while they pressed too, that wasn't called.

If ISU committed 27 actual fouls, then WV committed 200.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

At first glance I thought Fred had bought the whole team My little mountaineer buddy backpacks to wear during the game.........

Okay - THAT made me laugh, especially coming from someone with an avatar like yours!

 

[ISUTex]

You will always be able to find plays that are fouls by the rulebook but that aren't called. If the refs called every foul last night then both teams would have had no players left with about five minutes left in the game. The game would dissolve into an unwatchable blob of nastiness if they called every foul so stop worrying about it. All you'll get is an ulcer. Both teams play with the same set of refs and have to make adjustments based on how those refs are calling the game. Bleep happens.

Staten had 0 fouls. Really? Williams should've had 20 fouls called on him. He fouled out more times than Jeff Withey in Hilton. They were letting WVU get away with assault last night. But ISU gets called for twice their average? It was a poorly officiated game, and it was in WVU's favor. Not saying they were out to get ISU, just that it was in Morgantown and refs usually give home teams the benefit of the doubt (unless you're playing Kansas of course).

 

[carvers4math]

Saw this on Twitter this morning and laughed:
@CMAnderson247: Bob Huggins alluding to missed calls by refs, says Devin Williams kept getting his goggles knocked off. "I don’t think he hit himself."

Actually they hit their teammates a lot on rebounds

 

[ISUTex]

Have you looked at the stats of West Virginia's opponents? http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/west-virginia/game_stats Only three of them committed LESS than 20 fouls in their games against WVU. Drawing fouls is a skill that is taught by Huggins. The relentless pressure applied by WVU results in putting opponents into positions where they are chasing, trying to recover and scrambling, which leads to a dramatic increase in fouls called against them. It wasn't bad reffing. It was uncharacteristic play, which is what WVU's style forces you into. ISU has good enough players off the bench and shot well enough that they were able to still win despite the foul trouble they were forced into. I would think that ISU fans, fans of a team that typically IS the more aggressive team that forces opponents into fouling a bunch, would understand this. What happened to you is what you normally do to other teams.

Huggins teaches his players to mug on defense. Yeah, I guess when you are getting mugged, it might throw you off a little. WVU will foul all of their players out against Kansas.

 

[ISUTex]

I assume that WVU fans are griping about the refs just like people here are. They probably have a long list of missed calls just like every fan base of every team that ever plays a tight game.

except for Kansas fans of course.

 

[Judoka]

[video=youtube;_qQJ9gp5_eY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qQJ9gp5_eY[/video]

Kinda reminded me of this scene. Prison rules.

An apt comparison.

 

[ISUTex]

I remember at least a half dozen moving screens by ISU last night that didn't get called and I only saw some of the second half. It is probably the least made call in college basketball. Come to think of it, I don't even remember the last time I saw a moving screen called in any college game I have watched.

It's one thing to move a little on a screen, it's another thing to box a guy out at the three point line. Which is what Maryland was doing. Niang and Hogue have been called for several moving screens this season.

 

[Judoka]

Highlight video of West Virginia's clean, no foul, defense last night.

 

[laminak]

Ugh. At some point you'll learn that different play styles result in different foul counts. And ISU leads the Big 12 in foul disparity by the way.

Ugh. At some point you'll learn that the actual fouls called/not called and consistency result in fan gripes.

At some point you'll learn that a dead ball three pointer has nothing to do with play styles.

 

[Cyhart]

Yeah, I haven't been that disgusted with officiating since maybe the Ohio St tourney game. Thank god we won in spite of it.

 

[MayorsAge]

couldn't f'ing believe they didn't replay that. All in all, we had 4 more fouls than WV, which surprised me.

 

[MattSquires]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this was already mentioned.

I about blew a gasket when Twitter and the commentators were saying its so tough to ref WVU games because there is so much contact. Here's a thought, CALL THE FOULS.

 

[ISUCubswin]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this was already mentioned.

I about blew a gasket when Twitter and the commentators were saying its so tough to ref WVU games because there is so much contact. Here's a thought, CALL THE FOULS.

That's what I was thinking as well.

I do think WVU got screwed on a couple calls, but they fouled every single time Iowa State had the ball, and it was never called. You can't adjust the rules of the game based on how a team plays the game. A foul is a foul.

 

[ISUCubswin]

And to those saying teams wouldn't have anyone to put out there if the refs called all the fouls, that's false.

Teams would have to adjust to make sure they aren't getting foul calls.

Defensively, Georges was extremely soft with 4 fouls. That's exactly how WVU would've been had the refs been calling fouls on them.

 

[CRcyclone6]

No kidding. Fran F kept saying, "the officials have had to make a lot of tough decisions tonight." It shouldn't have been that hard. Blow that thing in your mouth ref.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Ugh. At some point you'll learn that different play styles result in different foul counts. And ISU leads the Big 12 in foul disparity by the way.

As it should given our style of play and weak schedule.

 

[lakeliving]

No kidding. Fran F kept saying, "the officials have had to make a lot of tough decisions tonight." It shouldn't have been that hard. Blow that thing in your mouth ref.

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