Royce at game tonight?

[LivntheCyLife]

I think that they were unwilling to take the risk that comes with someone like Royce. I think that putting some money into him at first would help to mold him into something that would help them win. I mean if the Rockets didn't think he could help them then why did they draft him. It's simple they were unwilling to put a down payment on a player that within a couple years wouldn't need much if any special assistance that could be a matchup nightmare. When it comes to the 76ers like Royce said he probably deserved a spot but didn't fit in their plan. That is understandable. I don't fault them for that, but I hope he finds somewhere to fit in.

Another thing to consider why other than money and ticket sales would the Rockets now take Howard. Howard has been more demanding than Royce. He has shown he isn't a team player and really not super spectacular himself. Royce has done both of those in the college game but hasn't gotten an opportunity in the NBA. It's all about money.

Those are interesting points, although I think there's a lot of projecting what you are hoping for by saying Royce wouldn't need much if any special assistance in a couple years. And the Rockets were willing to draft him #16 because a lot of 16th picks don't work out.

And with regard to Howard, it's apple and oranges to compare a guy like Royce to a guy with the talent of Howard who is 11th in rebounds per game and 17th in blocks per game all time.

It's really impossible to know how much of this is about money and the risk of having Royce on the team versus him not being NBA ready. I think he'd have value to teams if he went somewhere to show he can handle an 82-game schedule and works out to improve his game to be an NBA player, but until he's willing to do those things, it's going to be tough for him.

 

[jkclone]

Those are interesting points, although I think there's a lot of projecting what you are hoping for by saying Royce wouldn't need much if any special assistance in a couple years. And the Rockets were willing to draft him #16 because a lot of 16th picks don't work out.

And with regard to Howard, it's apple and oranges to compare a guy like Royce to a guy with the talent of Howard who is 11th in rebounds per game and 17th in blocks per game all time.

It's really impossible to know how much of this is about money and the risk of having Royce on the team versus him not being NBA ready. I think he'd have value to teams if he went somewhere to show he can handle an 82-game schedule and works out to improve his game to be an NBA player, but until he's willing to do those things, it's going to be tough for him.

Anyone that says that Howard is going to help them is wrong. He has shown in both places he's been that he is a cancer. Without Howard the Lakers would have been better. Without Howard the magic could have built a pretty decent team. My point is he may have good stats and the talent but he is a baby who will whine until he gets his way. At least Royce has shown an ability to get better as well as put up the numbers (mind you in college).

 

[mitya51]

If you don't cheer loudly for Royce I would question your intelligence.

His NBA career didn't work out, but he put the team on his back and took them to our first NCAA tourney since 2005.

i don't understand why anyone would care that RW didn't pan in the NBA. I guess an extension of ISU ego-wanting to represent in the NBA, which I understand. I wish White the best. Must be so tough to know you have all the raw talent but didn't work out. Such is life. God bless, Royce.

 

[mitya51]

I agree and I too could care less if he plays in the NBA. My only problem with Royce is that he acted like he wanted to play in the NBA, he claimed his disease wouldn't be a problem, he was going to open eyes about what people with his condition are capable of etc...and when he got the chance to do that, he couldn't come through on it. I'm not blaming him for things that happen as a result of his condition but IMO it was pretty obvious he wasnt ready to move on from ISU when he did.

Why would you have a problem with him if you are not blaming him? It's not like he intended for things to work out this way.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

Anyone that says that Howard is going to help them is wrong. He has shown in both places he's been that he is a cancer. Without Howard the Lakers would have been better. Without Howard the magic could have built a pretty decent team. My point is he may have good stats and the talent but he is a baby who will whine until he gets his way. At least Royce has shown an ability to get better as well as put up the numbers (mind you in college).

I'm no big Howard fan. But he did improve from his rookie year until his 4th and 5th season. Unfortunately, those may have been two of his best. I don't know how you can tell Royce has the ability to get better when he's played competitive basketball one out of the last five years (except for 16 games for Rio Grande Valley).

 

[jkclone]

I'm no big Howard fan. But he did improve from his rookie year until his 4th and 5th season. Unfortunately, those may have been two of his best. I don't know how you can tell Royce has the ability to get better when he's played competitive basketball one out of the last five years (except for 16 games for Rio Grande Valley).

Not saying he would but at the point in question Royce was coming off a great year and had done fine with anxiety issues. That being said he wasn't given a real opportunity that year. Now you have them taking Howard who has never really been able to not whine and is coming off a horrendous year. Same team is involved in both. Which seems like it would help the team better. That would be Royce. The only reason Howard is there is because of ticket sales. I'm not saying Royce would have worked out or Howard won't but it is all about money.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

In absolutely no way can you say that the Rockets were willing to work with him. The fact that it took them so long to sign his contract to include the protections shows that. I am not willing to believe anything they say as half of what they said during this made no sense. I don't remember when they finally accepted his terms which I think were reasonable, but by that point they didn't want him on the Rockets but the D league team. Yes maybe Royce could have worked with them more but I don't think his demands were unreasonable. If a college can accommodate him a NBA team should have no problems with all of their resources. Maybe I'm wrong but if Fred could do it then they could do it.

Ya, because if I'm the new kid at the office and getting paid a crap load just starting out in the business, I can dictate how my bosses should treat me before I make one ounce of effort to earn the money I am getting paid. If RW is a 15 yr veteran and starts having the problems he's having, he might be able to dictate how the company treats him after he has proven himself. But to dictate how your boss is going to treat you while making exactly ZERO effort the earn his pay is total BS. Nowhere in working society can you get by with that, but some of you expect the NBA teams that took a chance on him to bend over backwards to help the rookie pan out. And all that in and of itself is bad enough, but then to go on your soapbox badmouthing that same employer who is paying you very well while you sit on your *** complaining to the world on twitter makes it a lot worse.

I loved RW while he was here, but I won't be sticking up for him in what he has done since.

 

[jkclone]

Ya, because if I'm the new kid at the office and getting paid a crap load just starting out in the business, I can dictate how my bosses should treat me before I make one ounce of effort to earn the money I am getting paid. If RW is a 15 yr veteran and starts having the problems he's having, he might be able to dictate how the company treats him after he has proven himself. But to dictate how your boss is going to treat you while making exactly ZERO effort the earn his pay is total BS. Nowhere in working society can you get by with that, but some of you expect the NBA teams that took a chance on him to bend over backwards to help the rookie pan out. And all that in and of itself is bad enough, but then to go on your soapbox badmouthing that same employer who is paying you very well while you sit on your *** complaining to the world on twitter makes it a lot worse.

I loved RW while he was here, but I won't be sticking up for him in what he has done since.

Not going to deny he handled it poorly I just don't see how you can have success here with less resources than In the NBA. I think I've made my point that the Rockets screwed up but we will have to see how things turn out. Hopefully someone is willing to help him and he becomes a solid NBA player.

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

Not going to deny he handled it poorly I just don't see how you can have success here with less resources than In the NBA. I think I've made my point that the Rockets screwed up but we will have to see how things turn out. Hopefully someone is willing to help him and he becomes a solid NBA player.

I definitely agree with you on your last sentence. It also puzzles me on the difference between his years here and since he has gone. Might be something where he was a lot more micro managed while here as a scholarship athlete and maybe the next level you are in responsible for a lot more of your schedule, but I really have no clue.

 

[CyJack13]

Anyone that says that Howard is going to help them is wrong. He has shown in both places he's been that he is a cancer. Without Howard the Lakers would have been better. Without Howard the magic could have built a pretty decent team. My point is he may have good stats and the talent but he is a baby who will whine until he gets his way. At least Royce has shown an ability to get better as well as put up the numbers (mind you in college).

You have to be trolling right? The only reason the Magic came anywhere close to making the finals was because of Dwight. They started Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu, two very poor defenders plus played Rafer Alston major minutes in the playoffs due to Jameer Nelson's injury. Without Howard playing absolutely elite level defense and cleaning up his teammates mistakes that team doesn't even make the playoffs.

Comparing Royce to Dwight Howard LOL.

 

[CyJack13]

Not going to deny he handled it poorly I just don't see how you can have success here with less resources than In the NBA. I think I've made my point that the Rockets screwed up but we will have to see how things turn out. Hopefully someone is willing to help him and he becomes a solid NBA player.

Because ISU was the only place where he had someone completely invested in him succeeding. Easy to forget now but at the time Fred was an unproven coach coming into a tough situation and taking a huge risk on a guy like Royce. Fred needed Royce to get things rolling. At Minnesota, Tubby was an established coach who had already won a national title, one player wasn't going to make or break him. In the NBA, Royce was a mid first round pick, he wasn't a franchise savior, he never proved he was worth much trouble to the Rockets and they quickly moved on.

 

[Cpech56]

Royce White is not willing to help himself why in the F would an Nba team do anything more to cater to him then they've already tried.

 

[jkclone]

You have to be trolling right? The only reason the Magic came anywhere close to making the finals was because of Dwight. They started Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu, two very poor defenders plus played Rafer Alston major minutes in the playoffs due to Jameer Nelson's injury. Without Howard playing absolutely elite level defense and cleaning up his teammates mistakes that team doesn't even make the playoffs.

Comparing Royce to Dwight Howard LOL.

You didn't read what I said. I said he set them back because they now have to restart and probably won't be successful as this round of talent is becoming great and no one new is really coming in. I didn't say without him they would have been good in the case of just ignoring him but maybe they could have gotten a real franchise player or built a good not great team.

The other thing is we have a difference in opinions on what an employees rights are. You seem to think you have to put up with it until you are a proven veteran before you can require anything. I believe you have the right to fair treatment at first but nothing special. Then when you are a veteran you can demand more stuff.

 

[CyJack13]

You didn't read what I said. I said he set them back because they now have to restart and probably won't be successful as this round of talent is becoming great and no one new is really coming in. I didn't say without him they would have been good in the case of just ignoring him but maybe they could have gotten a real franchise player or built a good not great team.

The other thing is we have a difference in opinions on what an employees rights are. You seem to think you have to put up with it until you are a proven veteran before you can require anything. I believe you have the right to fair treatment at first but nothing special. Then when you are a veteran you can demand more stuff.

I think you have a poor understanding of how the CBA works.

 

[jkclone]

I think you have a poor understanding of how the CBA works.

CBA should be irrelevant as he wasn't in the NBA to agree to it. That would be the only leg they have to stand on. CBA is valid legally but this is a unique circumstance.

 

[CyJack13]

CBA should be irrelevant as he wasn't in the NBA to agree to it. That would be the only leg they have to stand on. CBA is valid legally but this is a unique circumstance.

Then Royce shouldn't have joined the union. It's his own fault.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

CBA should be irrelevant as he wasn't in the NBA to agree to it.

How is it irrelevant to all of the other players when a team breaks the rules to sign a specific player to a different agreement?

 

[Yellow Snow]

Not going to deny he handled it poorly I just don't see how you can have success here with less resources than In the NBA. I think I've made my point that the Rockets screwed up but we will have to see how things turn out. Hopefully someone is willing to help him and he becomes a solid NBA player.

In college there isn't a players union. The Rockets, of course, had ALL the resources available to help White. They could have accommodated his requests, no problem. But that could possibly open up a HUGE can of worms with the players union.

Think about it... Royce can't fly because of anxiety... so he gets special accommodations from the Rockets. What's to stop an Allen Iverson type (on an different team for that matter) from claiming they can't "practice" because it makes them nervous. The team makes him practice... then he sues the NBA owners for discriminatory policies.

I believe that is the biggest reason the Rockets didn't give White what he wanted... it would have potentially opened up a huge can of worms legally.

 

[jkclone]

In college there isn't a players union. The Rockets, of course, had ALL the resources available to help White. They could have accommodated his requests, no problem. But that could possibly open up a HUGE can of worms with the players union.

Think about it... Royce can't fly because of anxiety... so he gets special accommodations from the Rockets. What's to stop an Allen Iverson type (on an different team for that matter) from claiming they can't "practice" because it makes them nervous. The team makes him practice... then he sues the NBA owners for discriminatory policies.

I believe that is the biggest reason the Rockets didn't give White what he wanted... it would have potentially opened up a huge can of worms legally.

Legal disability is different than some BS excuse for not doing something. Like I said CBA was agreed to before he was in the league. Yes he didn't have to join the union but he also has a semi reasonable case to go against it. I understand there are all sorts of legal issues, but that is something for somewhere else as I think it is a much bigger issue then just here. I don't see anyway you can defend what the Rockets did. I understand the 76ers though. I think that cutting someone for a disability is wrong but cutting him because of talent or him not fitting in with their vision is.

It may be difficult to do but it is the right thing to do.

 

[SpokaneCY]

In absolutely no way can you say that the Rockets were willing to work with him. The fact that it took them so long to sign his contract to include the protections shows that. I am not willing to believe anything they say as half of what they said during this made no sense. I don't remember when they finally accepted his terms which I think were reasonable, but by that point they didn't want him on the Rockets but the D league team. Yes maybe Royce could have worked with them more but I don't think his demands were unreasonable. If a college can accommodate him a NBA team should have no problems with all of their resources. Maybe I'm wrong but if Fred could do it then they could do it.

Refusing to report to D league, showing up way out of shape, twitter novels making little sense.... Sure seems like Houston put up with a lot including his own bus AND kept paying him.