How good could we be with Taggart and Degand?

[ZJohnson]

How good do you guys think we would be with Shawn Taggart and Farnold Degand? Taggart is averaging 22 min 8 points and 6 rebs for the #2 team in the nation. Degand is the starting PG for NC State and is ave. 8 pts, 3 boards and 3 ast. I think if we still had these two we would be at worst 5-1. But that is my opinion, what is everyone else's?

 

[acrozier22]

Don't really care...

 

[bleedcardinalandgold]

It is always interesting to read the woulda, coulda, shoulda threads... I don't really care how good we'd be. Can we please focus on the team we have and guys we are recruiting for the future?!?

Taggart and Degand are gone! I wish them the best. Can we move on?

 

[CYdTracked]

I really don't care because they obviously did not want to be at ISU. I want players that want to be here and want to play our system. I think Brackins is going to be a much better player than him anyways.

 

[kingcy]

Some of that is due to coaching and motivating these guys. When Taggard was at ISU he looked like he didnt want to be on the court and showed no hustle. Morgan could get the talent he just had a problem with making the talnent better and getting them up for games.

 

[dornstar44]

I have several friends from work that are NC State alumni and they aren't happy at all with their acquisition of Degand. They sound about as high on him as we sounded on Corey McIntosh last year, for what it's worth. Like most people on here, I'm not losing any sleep over losing either of these two guys.

 

[ISUboi12]

I care, ZJohnson.

 

[Landshark]

We would definately be NCAA Champs at year end, no doubt about it, I'm sure they would both be 1st Team All-Americans too. :realmad:

LET IT GO, THEY AREN'T HERE, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE HERE, ENOUGH SAID...I'M OUT!!!!!!

 

[dinger]

I care, ZJohnson.

me three

 

[ZJohnson]

Wow, I didn't expect this reaction at all guys. Of course I have moved on to this year and actually I moved on LAST year without them. This was a simple question to hear what people thought because I was bored and these two are having good starts to their seasons. It's a little unfortunate that you guys that have to be so negative. Why do you all have to be so bitter that people left the program; it happens to everyone. Just think how good Kansas could be with J.R. Giddens and C.J. Giles. Two guys that would contribute largely to their that school just like Degand and Taggart. Of course it's not going to happen but this is what message boards were created for...QUESTIONS!!!

 

[cstrunk]

Wow, I didn't expect this reaction at all guys. Of course I have moved on to this year and actually I moved on LAST year without them. This was a simple question to hear what people thought because I was bored and these two are having good starts to their seasons. It's a little unfortunate that you guys that have to be so negative. Why do you all have to be so bitter that people left the program; it happens to everyone. Just think how good Kansas could be with J.R. Giddens and C.J. Giles. Two guys that would contribute largely to their that school just like Degand and Taggart. Of course it's not going to happen but this is what message boards were created for...QUESTIONS!!!

This topic has been discussed before (and recently) therefore people get annoyed by seeing duplicate threads on the same thing. However, they need to learn to just ignore them instead of posting in them sounding like a bunch of spoiled Hawk fans who aren't going to a bowl game. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. :daydreaming:

 

[Dormeezy]

jesus, give the guy a break. this is a message board. who said woulda/coulda/shoulda posts aren't allowed? as is stated everytime someone posts their displeasure with a thread topic, if you don't care about it, DON'T READ IT! (pretty simple stuff there, folks)


That being said, how great would we be if we had those two AND Theo Davis?! :yes:

 

[Cydkar]

I really don't get the question either. If those guys don't leave the composition of our team is totally different. Brackins may never have come, etc... Sorry, Brackins is better than Taggart so the thought actually chills me. We may have a better record...today. Basically, we'd be an NIT team. Yippee!

 

[BryceC]

Honestly I think it's a good question, but the real question is, are they still being coached by Wayne? Because then, probably the same record.

But to the question, I watched the Memphis game last night and Taggart is pretty much a set shooter that relies on the guards to penetrate and pass the ball to him on the wing. He is pretty much exactly the same guy that he was at ISU except how he's a bit older and a bit stronger. I really wasn't impressed with Tags yesterday and it's not like USC has dominating bigs either.

As far as Degand goes, if he's averaging 8, 3, and 3, that's almost exactly what Garrett is giving us this year as well. Garrett is scoring 7.3, 2.0, and 1.3 while playing 10 minutes less a game.

It is interesting to think of what could have been with Carr, Degand, and Taggart, but but flat out didn't want to be Cyclones anymore.

 

[ISU4ME]

"The people who live in the past must yield to the people who live in the future. Otherwise the world would begin to turn the other way round." -- Arnold Bennett


Get the hell out of my way as I am looking forward to the future. :biggrin::biggrin:

 

[MJAnderson]

I really don't care because they obviously did not want to be at ISU. I want players that want to be here and want to play our system. I think Brackins is going to be a much better player than him anyways.

I totally agree with you. I don't think Taggert would last at ISU with McDermott....he has had some off the court issues, a terrible work ethic, and a bad attitude.

Too bad USC couldn't have pulled that one off last night....they had'em.

 

[cygrads]

We should appreciate the guy that stayed (Clark) rather than bemoaning the ones that left!

 

[Oldgeezer]

Here's the bottom line. Garrett is as good right now as Degand, and that is with only a few games under his belt. Degand has had the benefit?? of 2 redshirt seasons. Brackins is better than Taggert right now and the same situation as Degan's applies to him. The guy that would have really helped ISU, had he chosen to stay was Carr. He's doing more for St. Joe's than either of the other 2. And if he had stayed, we wouldn't have suffered through the McIntosh/Taylor debacle.

 

[CyBobby]

I don't know HOW much better we would be with taggert and degand...but I know we would have to better than we are now if we just had a decent point guard who could handle the press.


I would hope we would not be winless against the mo valley conference...Boys this is ridiculous losing all these games to the mo valley.


HELLO BIG 4 TOURNAMENT AND GOODBYE PLAYING AT DES MOINES AND CEDAR FALLS!!!

 

[MNclone]

After watching Memphis play last night, and seeing Taggart just stand on the block on offense, and not play much defense. I have no desire to see him playing for ISU right now. They were running a 4 man offense, with tags standing on the left side low block, waiting for a rebound. He would start boxing out for a rebound as soon as anyone would even remotely look like they were thinking of shooting.