Time to lock up JP

[nj829]

Welcome back to CF Bruce!

 

[IcSyU]

Not trying to be a debbie-downer here but ISU's football program hasn't won more than 6 games in the regular season and the basketball program hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament under Pollard's watch. I don't care about wrestling, women's hoops, or any of the other programs. They don't matter to me and they don't matter to very many people across the country.

I don't particularly care how much revenue has been generated. I don't get to see a penny of that. I care about success on the field. That hasn't happened. In fact, ISU was better in the revenue sports under BVD.

To me, he's been a miserable failure as an AD because he's hired 4 coaches in the sports that matter. 2 of them were failures (Chizik, McDermott). 1 of them seems like he's likely going to be a failure (Hoiberg). And the other has a losing record (though I do realize that is a misleading stat).

In all likelihood, Rhoads won't come close to living up to that contract. It's just the way it is. We don't have the resources to win in football. That's not me having a loser mentality. It's reality. Let's face it, we are lucky we weren't 2-10 or 3-9 this year. A few bounces of the ball the other way and we would have been. And there have been far too many blowout losses to justify this contract.

I just don't see it, guys. I love Coach Rhoads. I hope he's here for 20 years. But I think regular 6-6 and 7-5's is all we can expect. Is that worth $2 million per year over 10 years?

I guess I don't understand all the love for Pollard. Maybe I'm too much of a realist. Like I said, I just don't care about how much revenue ISU is generating. As long as they have enough to keep Hilton and The Jack looking good, I don't care. The money isn't going to us. You guys realize that, right? Win football and basketball games. That's what I care about. Under Pollard, they have not been. Sorry, but it's the truth.

All I have to say is You must really hate your life.

IcSuU- I'll ask it again, do you think Mack Brown is a good head coach? How do you think he'd do at ISU with much lesser talent than he has at Texas? How do you think the Chiz would have done at ISU had he stayed? We know what he did do while he was here and he was awful. Auburn bought a qb that has become an instant star in the NFL during his rookie season. I doubt there are many bcs conference coaches that wouldn't have won a national title with Cam at the helm. We know Chiz will have good talent at Auburn, but let's see how he does the next few years without Cam before calling him a good coach. If he loses 4-5 games a year at Auburn, he won't last long.

I think Chizik would have been alright. We're winning right now with upperclassmen he recruited. He wouldn't be 9-3 but he'd be a .500 coach with new coaches (who were coming on before he went to Auburn).

And I wouldn't say Mack Brown is a great coach but I'd say he's alright. It isn't a total fluke he (up until recently) constantly wins.

Chizik went 5-19 here (which is awful) but a lot of that boils down to zero depth. The lines were terrible. No lines = bad football teams. Now we have some depth on the lines and they look better. It isn't a fluke.

And one national title doesn't make him a good coach. He probably does less coaching now than he did as a coordinator. I'd say he's had a bit of success as a coordinator. So terrible he's had the #1 rated defense in the land before. Had a pair of undefeated seasons as a head coach and coordinator. That's just a terrible head coach. The guy can coach. Unlike Scott Drew he develops talent and puts talent in positions to win.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Not trying to be a debbie-downer here but ISU's football program hasn't won more than 6 games in the regular season and the basketball program hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament under Pollard's watch.

You don't have to try. You're a natural.

I wonder if that talent has anything to do with being associated with a college named after a stench?

:smile:

 

[CYKOFAN]

Yes I think Urban Meyer would do pretty well at ISU. He took a Utah program not known for football to the top of college football, so yes, he has proven he can take lesser talent and either develop it or win with it to the point that a football nobody rose to the top of college football before he left there. And Mack Brown has great talent every year, but it took a super college qb like Young to get a mediocre coach like Brown a national title. Auburn bought an even better qb than Young. Like I said, let's see if Chiz can get the 9-11 wins a year Auburn expects with their talent before calling him a good coach. And I'd point out that certain programs like Texas and Auburn are going to draw some 4 and 5 star talent unless the coach is a disaster.

 

[IUPUI]

Yes I think Urban Meyer would do pretty well at ISU. He took a Utah program not known for football to the top of college football, so yes, he has proven he can take lesser talent and either develop it or win with it to the point that a football nobody rose to the top of college football before he left there. And Mack Brown has great talent every year, but it took a super college qb like Young to get a mediocre coach like Brown a national title. Auburn bought an even better qb than Young. Like I said, let's see if Chiz can get the 9-11 wins a year Auburn expects with their talent before calling him a good coach. And I'd point out that certain programs like Texas and Auburn are going to draw some 4 and 5 star talent unless the coach is a disaster.

You can't compare Utah to ISU. Utah played in a mediocre conference and then faced a horrible Pitt team in a BCS Bowl. Just because Urban won at Florida (easy place to win) and a couple of mid-majors doesn't mean he would win in the Big-12 at ISU.

 

[IcSyU]

You could say the same thing about any coach. Talent is always incredibly important.

Do you think Urban Meyer would win at ISU or similar programs? I don't. That's not to say Urban isn't a good coach, but there's a reason the alleged "best coaches" in the country just so happen to coach programs that consistently recruit 4 and 5-star talent. Hmm....I wonder why that is!!

Because everyone and their mom knows they're good at what they do and the big programs can afford to buy them up? Believe it or not, most of those guys have worked their way up the ranks. Urban Meyer was a hotshot at Utah with all those 4 and 5 star recruits and did alright at Bowling Green. Jim Tressel was at Youngstown State. Chizik was a hotshot coordinator. Chip Kelly worked his way up. Stoops worked his way up to OU through Kansas State and Florida IIRC.

 

[Palmer]

You can't compare Utah to ISU. Utah played in a mediocre conference and then faced a horrible Pitt team in a BCS Bowl. Just because Urban won at Florida (easy place to win) and a couple of mid-majors doesn't mean he would win in the Big-12 at ISU.

You are either..

1 A Hawk troll

2. Bruce VD undercover.

3.A Cyclone fan with no concept of what JP has done.

 

[IUPUI]

I am calling you a troll.

Move on people.

Why is that? What did I say that is so inaccurate???

We were more successful in sports that matter under BVD. Sorry, but it's true. Look at the basketball program under JP. We haven't been to the freakin' NCAA tournament since 2005 for crying out loud!

And our football program is in no better shape than with McCarney. Sorry, but it's not. Attendance is up and that's the only thing. But wins are not.

You can go crazy about all the money he raises. How much of that are you seeing, because I haven't received a penny of it?

I want to win, not raise money. Sorry if that offends you.

 

[mike4cy]

You don't have to try. You're a natural.

I wonder if that talent has anything to do with being associated with a college named after a stench?

:smile:

I always thought it was named after some gross homecoming tradition of peeing in each other eyes...I like the coed naked soccer at Luther much more as a strange tradition :yes:

 

[IcSyU]

You can't compare Utah to ISU. Utah played in a mediocre conference and then faced a horrible Pitt team in a BCS Bowl. Just because Urban won at Florida (easy place to win) and a couple of mid-majors doesn't mean he would win in the Big-12 at ISU.

Let's see....he turned Bowling Green around in a hurry...

Took Utah places it had never been...

Won a couple titles at Florida...

Yeah, I'd bet he'd do alright in Ames.

 

[Clonefan94]

You can't compare Utah to ISU. Utah played in a mediocre conference and then faced a horrible Pitt team in a BCS Bowl. Just because Urban won at Florida (easy place to win) and a couple of mid-majors doesn't mean he would win in the Big-12 at ISU.

It may not mean he would win at ISU, but I'd say there is a better chance he would have success here than not.Tthere is a reason some of these guys have had success wherever they were coaching. Weather it's hiring the right poeple to help or recruiting the right kids for your system, either way, Urban didn't just take over great program after great program to finally land at tOSU.

 

[IcSyU]

Why is that? What did I say that is so inaccurate???

We were more successful in sports that matter under BVD. Sorry, but it's true. Look at the basketball program under JP. We haven't been to the freakin' NCAA tournament since 2005 for crying out loud!

And our football program is in no better shape than with McCarney. Sorry, but it's not. Attendance is up and that's the only thing. But wins are not.

You can go crazy about all the money he raises. How much of that are you seeing, because I haven't received a penny of it?

I want to win, not raise money. Sorry if that offends you.

One would expect the success to be better under BVDV. Who was there to compete with?

 

[IUPUI]

Let's see....he turned Bowling Green around in a hurry...

Took Utah places it had never been...

Won a couple titles at Florida...

Yeah, I'd bet he'd do alright in Ames.

I didn't say he would go 0-12 or anything like that. But he's not winning more than 6-7 games here.

People forget that Florida's program has fallen apart because of him. Yeah, he won 2 national titles, but he then ran it into the ground.

 

[IcSyU]

I didn't say he would go 0-12 or anything like that. But he's not winning more than 6-7 games here.

People forget that Florida's program has fallen apart because of him. Yeah, he won 2 national titles, but he then ran it into the ground.

Or other programs in their division rose up. Nah, that can't be it.

 

[CloneIce]

I do not understand Pollard haters AT ALL. It's like they want the world to return to 2000 and stay that way forever. Ain't happening.

I like Pollard, and I definitely want to keep him here as long as he would want to stay. But he has made some big mistakes too... specifically Greg Mcdermott and his ridiculous 10-year contract. But I think Hoiberg will show (As Rhoads already has) that he made a great choice when he had a second chance, and totally redeemed himself.

 

[CycloneErik]

I am calling you a troll.

Move on people.

A conveniently-timed troll. Clearly 100% troll.

 

[wolverine68]

Please stop talking about past coaches! This is a thread about Rhoads getting a long term contract, about Pollard engineering that contract, and the future of Cyclone football (not the past).
I for one love this news. Say what you want to about where ISU ranks with other BCS programs, I have watched every video of Coach Rhoads in the locker room with pride. I've seen plenty of moments that made me proud to be a Cyclone, but I would say that no coach has given me so many in such a short time as Paul has (can I call you Paul? Is that too personal?).
There is no way that you can put a negative spin on this. Jamie Pollard has done a phenomenal job in his time here (I've seen him at the hospital with his son a few times, never approached him because it seemed inappropriate, but you could see the care he had for his son) and Coach Rhoads has done nothing less than exceed expectations.
It's a great day, month, year to be a Cyclone!

 

[Al_4_State]

One good measurement of an ISU AD is the amount of hate and venom from Iowa fans. Iowa fans hate Jamie Pollard on the same level as Osama Bin Laden.

It's the proof that he's trying (and succeeding) to elevate ISU on the national scene.

Can't remember an Iowa fan fuming about BVDV every 15 seconds like most do about Pollard.

Exactly. Iowa fans rip on Pollard constantly, but I don't know one that wouldn't trade him for Barta in a second.

 

[cyatheart]

Why is that? What did I say that is so inaccurate???

We were more successful in sports that matter under BVD. Sorry, but it's true. Look at the basketball program under JP. We haven't been to the freakin' NCAA tournament since 2005 for crying out loud!

And our football program is in no better shape than with McCarney. Sorry, but it's not. Attendance is up and that's the only thing. But wins are not.

You can go crazy about all the money he raises. How much of that are you seeing, because I haven't received a penny of it?

I want to win, not raise money. Sorry if that offends you.

This is the EXACT type of attitude that holds us back and it needs to be shouted down and exterminated from our fan base.

You think money doesn't matter to winnning? Ok, let's just pay our coaches nothign watch them leave and see how that turns out. Because constant coach turnover really helps out a program.

Pollard isn't perfect, McDermott wasn't a great hire....so what, he looked like the great hire at the time, didnt work out....I am going to assume every decision you make works out great. But what do you want from the guy? He raises money, pays our coaches, gets talent in here, holds the fans accountable for donating and improves the facilites. I suppose you would like it more if he didn't improve anything, refused to pay our coaches, accepted the idea that we suck and can't ever be any good at anything.

 

[gocubs2118]

Such a terrible coach he's been an extremely successful coordinator at Texas and Auburn and taken Auburn to a national title as a head coach. That's turible.

Ah yes, because being a good coordinator automatically means you're going to be a successful head coach.