Spread to Pro-Style?

[Tre4ISU]

I like the spread, but would like to see us line up under center once in a while. The chance of a negative play are so much higher running out of the shotgun. It seems like we have a lot of drives that get going, and after a couple of first downs we try to run out of the shotgun, we miss one block, and lose 6-7 yards. The drive is now ruined.
I would like a mix of spread and pro style. It seems like the type of QB we need is in the Chase Daniel/Todd Reesing mold. Quick, accurate, able to read the defense quickly.

From what I saw out of JT last year, he just doesn't look fluid throwing the ball, and is not that accurate. I think he could work as a run first, pass as a change of pace QB. But if we are banking on throwing 35-40 times a game, I say go with the most accurate QB with the quickest release. But what do I know, I'm just a Golf Pro.

I guess I wouldn't mind that at times, but when we have executed in the past we get a rhythm and once a defense is on it's heels, the read option as well as Play action becomes much harder to defend. The key is execution. IMO, system matters very little. What matters is you get the personnel you need to run the selected system and you execute. If we can do both of those, we will be successful. I know, easier said than done.

 

[tee1up]

Yaman is right, it all comes down to execution. In theory, spreading the field should make it easier to pick up 6 inches running the ball on 3rd down. We just havn't had much luck doing it. Maybe a little better OL will fix it.
On those short yardage situations, or even once in a while on first down, I miss just lining up under center, and smashing Woody up the middle on a quick count. It seems like we have so many 3rd downs where we get to the line, stand there and look to the sideline, look at the defense, look back to the sideline, pray no 320 lb guy doesn't flinch on the offensive line, then finally hand it off 8 yards deep and get tackled immediately. I like Stanfords offense. They seem to run a little of everything; smash mouth, trick plays, downfield passing, spread, even some option. Kind of like our offense with Seneca. That is what I want to see.

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[RustShack]

Is this guy serious? We switch to the spread even though we have pro style personel... And now that we have a lot of spread pieces we should switch back? Consider my mind blown.

 

[CyBobby]

Zero.

ZERO 2

 

[besserheimerphat]

Yaman is right, it all comes down to execution. In theory, spreading the field should make it easier to pick up 6 inches running the ball on 3rd down. We just havn't had much luck doing it. Maybe a little better OL will fix it.
On those short yardage situations, or even once in a while on first down, I miss just lining up under center, and smashing Woody up the middle on a quick count. It seems like we have so many 3rd downs where we get to the line, stand there and look to the sideline, look at the defense, look back to the sideline, pray no 320 lb guy doesn't flinch on the offensive line, then finally hand it off 8 yards deep and get tackled immediately. I like Stanfords offense. They seem to run a little of everything; smash mouth, trick plays, downfield passing, spread, even some option. Kind of like our offense with Seneca. That is what I want to see.

There were multiple times last year on a 3rd and short where we rushed to the line right after the play, Arnaud got under center, and we ran a QB dive on first sound. Granted that played to Austen's strength as a runner, but there's no reason we couldn't do the same thing with any of our QB's or RB's.

 

[ceeboe]

Wow, bite a guys head off for engaging a topic other than Politics which seems to have overtaken this forum.

Plus, it's always mentioned, you play to the strengths that you have along with adding speed and playmakers to create plays for you. I'm not saying it would happen, but who's to say our offense doesn't evolve a little and you find more under center formations? Right now we're 98% out of shotgun, nothing wrong with it, but it was only a question.

 

[Senolcyc]

What is the realistic chance that ISU goes to more of a Pro-Style set and balanced offense?

Zero.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I guess I wouldn't mind that at times, but when we have executed in the past we get a rhythm and once a defense is on it's heels, the read option as well as Play action becomes much harder to defend. The key is execution. IMO, system matters very little. What matters is you get the personnel you need to run the selected system and you execute. If we can do both of those, we will be successful. I know, easier said than done.

The highlighted portion is absolutely correct. How many times was our offense struggling last year and then we picked up the pace in more of a 2 minute drill type offense and marched right down the field? Quite a few IIRC. The spread offense is complicated and the QB has a lot going through his head on each play. To me it just appeared like when the staff would speed things up our offense got into a rhythm, the defense was gassed, and it was almost as if Arnaud was just playing rather then over thinking on every single throw.

 

[Tre4ISU]

If we are going to put some different stuff in, I want to see some veer and midline options. Oregon runs both of them with success and doesn't run much of your typical read option. We have the personnel at RB to make that work.

 

[Clark]

The highlighted portion is absolutely correct. How many times was our offense struggling last year and then we picked up the pace in more of a 2 minute drill type offense and marched right down the field? Quite a few IIRC. The spread offense is complicated and the QB has a lot going through his head on each play. To me it just appeared like when the staff would speed things up our offense got into a rhythm, the defense was gassed, and it was almost as if Arnaud was just playing rather then over thinking on every single throw.

Yeah, that's not true. The spead is popular because it isn't complicated, which allows it's players to do less thinking and more reacting and thus play faster. This is especially true for the quarterback position. Case in point, how many times did you see AA audible last year?

 

[CyBroncos]

If we are going to put some different stuff in, I want to see some veer and midline options. Oregon runs both of them with success and doesn't run much of your typical read option. We have the personnel at RB to make that work.

This. Oregon's offense is like poetry in motion.

 

[CyBroncos]

I don't care what offense we run as long as its not predictable to everybody in the stadium. Also when its third and 10 don't throw a short slant for five yards. I hope to see some differences and new wrinkles out of Herman this year, if not it's going to be a long season

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah, that's not true. The spead is popular because it isn't complicated, which allows it's players to do less thinking and more reacting and thus play faster. This is especially true for the quarterback position. Case in point, how many times did you see AA audible last year?

He didn't audible because most of the time the plays came in after the defense was aligned.

 

[Clark]

He didn't audible because most of the time the plays came in after the defense was aligned.

Yeah, I know. That was mostly my point. You see very few audibles with spread option attacks and many spread teams get their playcalls directly from the sideline rather from a huddle.

For the record, saying that an offense isn't complicated isn't meant as a insult. Navy's option offense is probably the easiest offense in the country to run and they have had a lot of success with it. As you said earlier, no matter the offense t comes down to execution.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yeah, I know. That was mostly my point. You see very few audibles with spread option attacks and many spread teams get their playcalls directly from the sideline rather from a huddle.

For the record, saying that an offense isn't complicated isn't meant as a insult. Navy's option offense is probably the easiest offense in the country to run and they have had a lot of success with it. As you said earlier, no matter the offense t comes down to execution.

I knew what you meant. I don't care if it's 3rd grade offense if it works.

 

[Clark]

I knew what you meant. I don't care if it's 3rd grade offense if it works.

I agree. Quite frankly, I think more teams should run the triple option.

I think Denzel put it best. "It's like novacaine, just give it time, it always works"

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Yeah, that's not true. The spead is popular because it isn't complicated, which allows it's players to do less thinking and more reacting and thus play faster. This is especially true for the quarterback position. Case in point, how many times did you see AA audible last year?

Yeah... It allows players, specifically the QB to do less thinking... Why don't you check out this video (skip ahead to about the 7:15 mark and start watching and then try again....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYqsiq0iQC0]YouTube - Texas Tech's Mad Genius[/ame]

 

[Clark]

Yeah... It allows players, specifically the QB to do less thinking... Why don't you check out this video (skip ahead to about the 7:15 mark and start watching and then try again....

YouTube - Texas Tech's Mad Genius

Do yourself a favor and check out Jon Gruden's conversation with Cam Newton.

College pro-style offenses likely aren't quite as complicated but it will give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Do yourself a favor and check out Jon Gruden's conversation with Cam Newton.

College pro-style offenses likely aren't quite as complicated but it will give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

Try again.

 

[Clark]

Try again.

Dude, I'm not going to argue this with you. You act like I kicked your dog.


Here's a link to the Gruden QB camp with Newton for those who are interested.

Jon Gruden’s QB Camp with Cam Newton | Sports Geekery