***2024 NFL Draft***
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Im not a Vikings fan but I honestly think JJ is in the right situation to be very good. He goes from being coached by Harbaugh, to O'Connell. Hes 27-1 and a national champion with great ball placement and is mobile with a very strong arm. IMO he may turn out to be the 2nd best QB in this draft all said and done.
I still think its laughable that people think Cooper said this. Cooper would break Clark in half.
Now, if this was an uncontested game of horse or around the world, then Clark could beat anyone in the world. But she wouldn't get a shot off with a physical guard with a 40+ inch vertical in an actual game.
not sure why the media and people don't understand this. Reminds me of the Griner versus Cousins smack talk.
as for the draft. I am ok with the vikings picks so far. I have seen worse.
Not sure what ATL is doing, but they obviously know something.
KidSilverhair
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So this turned out to be the fourth time in history that QBs went 1-2-3 in the draft. How has that worked out?
Of those nine, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Trey Lance have been absolute busts. Zach Wilson could probably be in that category, too. Trevor Lawrence … I dunno, but he hasn’t shown a whole lot yet (doesn’t help that the Jaguars are terrible).
Archie Manning and Dan Pastorini were servicable, at least, but didn’t live up to their draft positions. Manning, like Lawrence so far, never played for a decent team; Pastorini had some good years when Earl Campbell was running the ball.
Jim Plunkett had a rough start to his career (having NFL coaches trying to have him run the option didn’t help), but he did win a Super Bowl later. Donovan McNabb also was a good NFL QB and got to a Super Bowl.
So despite all the grades and all the scouts and all the coaches and GMs making moves to get their “sure things,” taking QBs with the first three picks in the draft has about a 25% success rate. You just don’t know nothin’ when you draft college players …
Of those nine, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, and Trey Lance have been absolute busts. Zach Wilson could probably be in that category, too. Trevor Lawrence … I dunno, but he hasn’t shown a whole lot yet (doesn’t help that the Jaguars are terrible).
Archie Manning and Dan Pastorini were servicable, at least, but didn’t live up to their draft positions. Manning, like Lawrence so far, never played for a decent team; Pastorini had some good years when Earl Campbell was running the ball.
Jim Plunkett had a rough start to his career (having NFL coaches trying to have him run the option didn’t help), but he did win a Super Bowl later. Donovan McNabb also was a good NFL QB and got to a Super Bowl.
So despite all the grades and all the scouts and all the coaches and GMs making moves to get their “sure things,” taking QBs with the first three picks in the draft has about a 25% success rate. You just don’t know nothin’ when you draft college players …
It doesnt have to be, all I am getting at is that he is set up to succeed more than most typically are going into the league. It is of my opinion that he can do very well. I could also be completely wrong, shoot even the GMs cant say they know all this with certainty either.
I'm always concerned for QBs who played only on teams who were so good at every single position that QB alone wasn't really that big of a challenge.
I know the De Jean was a hawk but I don't get why people are actively cheering him falling out of the first round.
He is a freak athlete from small town Iowa. I am rooting for him.
He is a freak athlete from small town Iowa. I am rooting for him.
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A lot of these guys are freak athletes from small towns. Proximity isn't much of a differentiator, considering he played for our rival.
I will cheer for the kid and wish him success. I’m just laughing at the Hawk fans that are losing their minds over him not getting selected.
Really not different than Clark. You can wish the player well while also being critical of the over the top coverage.
I do, 90% of people here were actively trashing the best women's basketball player in the country who also happens to be from Des Moines. Why would this be any different?
It's a hint of jealousy combined with obsession. It's pretty obvious from comments on here alot of Iowa State people watch more Iowa sporting events than their actual fans.
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First time seeing a rivalry up close, huh?
NFC North 1st round
Bears, get all the talent in the world. Waiting to see how they screw it up.
Vikings, 2 bold trades. Basically bigger eggs lesser baskets
Lions, brilliant move to grab a CB who's comp.is J. Alexander.
Packers, **** the bed drafting an OT with short arms and doesn't fare well v. Power.
Now they have 4 Friday picks to try and recover.
Bears, get all the talent in the world. Waiting to see how they screw it up.
Vikings, 2 bold trades. Basically bigger eggs lesser baskets
Lions, brilliant move to grab a CB who's comp.is J. Alexander.
Packers, **** the bed drafting an OT with short arms and doesn't fare well v. Power.
Now they have 4 Friday picks to try and recover.
Nope, born and raised in Iowa so I've seen the rivalry for over 40 years now. It's innocent ribbing and being civil in my circles.
On here it's nastiness and vitriol dialed up to 10 on most any Iowa subject.
I think most Cyclone fans just don't want Iowa to get the notoriety of having a first-round pick. Simple as that. Nothing against De Jean. Seems like a good guy. Hawk fans are the same toward our players. What rivals do.
Someone smarter than me can explain why he's better, but DeJean is just Riley Moss 2.0 IMO. Virtually identical in all measurables and I'd have similar questions on DeJean as there were on Moss about what his ultimate position is. Moss was a third rounder and had his injury issues in year one, but was largely a non-factor for Denver. Plus DeJean's put up the gaudy stats in 2022 with Moss on the otherside and people throwing at Cooper more. To me he's not a player that's 60 picks better than Moss. He'll likely be a fine player, but I'm not surprised NFL teams don't worship him the way Iowa fans do.
| Height | Weight | Arm length | Hand span | 40-yard dash | 10-yard split | 20-yard split | 20-yard shuttle | Three-cone drill | Vertical jump | Broad jump | Bench press | |
| Moss | 6 ft 05⁄8 in | 193 lb | 30 in | 9+1⁄2 in | 4.45 s | 1.48 s | 2.56 s | 4.15 s | 6.60 s | 39.0 in | 10 ft 7 in | 11 reps |
| DeJean | 6 ft 01⁄2 in | 203 lb | 31+1⁄8 in | 9+5⁄8 in | 4.42 s | 1.52 s | 2.58 s | N/A | N/A | 38.5 in | 10 ft 4 in | 16 reps |
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Ok. And?
"There's a wasp nest in the swing set in my backyard. I've seen the wasps buzzing around it. So imagine my surprise when I went to go swing, and the wasps were angry! Can you believe it?"
he had been cleared to workout for like 2 weeks before he put up those numbers
