What counts as success?

[cy1010]

At this point in the season, what outcome would you require to say the basketball team had a successful season? Ignore the preseason expectations because they didn't take into account tranfers, suspensions, injuries, etc. Right now, what would be the minimum required for a successful season?

NCAA (not gonna happen), NIT (possible), winning record?

 

[ISUKyro]

I don't like to change what I call success just because we are in the season. At this point with this coach we should be looking at the dance. That being said I'll take anything right now, but it's definitely a crappy looking year.

 

[LeaningCy]

At this point, I would define success as putting forth a solid effort for 30-35 minutes per game, eliminating stupid mistakes, capitalizing on gimmes, and playing as a team. W/L seems unimportant right now.

 

[kingcy]

I really dont think anything will make most happy including me. Maybe a nice winning streak that gets this team to the NIT and a nice run there.

 

[bawbie]

I don't like to change what I call success just because we are in the season. At this point with this coach we should be looking at the dance. That being said I'll take anything right now, but it's definitely a crappy looking year.

I agree with this completely.

 

[cy1010]

I don't like to change what I call success just because we are in the season. At this point with this coach we should be looking at the dance. That being said I'll take anything right now, but it's definitely a crappy looking year.

I think you have to adjust your idea of success, at least at the baseline level to account for unforeseen circumstances. Especially when your preseason expectations are based on less than full knowledge of who can do what.

 

[cyclonenum1]

I think you have to adjust your idea of success, at least at the baseline level to account for unforeseen circumstances. Especially when your preseason expectations are based on less than full knowledge of who can do what.

Hey, we've been lowering the bar for four seasons now...why not lower it some more mid-season!

 

[Dave19642006]

steady improvement every year. Not necessarily just in wins, but in overall performance and production.

 

[cy1010]

Hey, we've been lowering the bar for four seasons now...why not lower it some more mid-season!

I think some people have to realize that maybe, just maybe, the team wasn't as good as everyone thought to begin with. Maybe they weren't living up to their potential, because the perception of how much potential they had was way off.

 

[cycloneworld]

With the talent on this team, I said NCAA or bust before the year started. I expect a NCAA berth.

NIT would be a dissappointment but at least there would be progress.

 

[cyclonenum1]

I think some people have to realize that maybe, just maybe, the team wasn't as good as everyone thought to begin with. Maybe they weren't living up to their potential, because the perception of how much potential they had was way off.

That may be. But let me ask you a question...on the day McDermott was hired, if I told you his first four seasons would go as these last four have...would you have found that acceptable?

 

[Wesley]

18 wins. Five more.

 

[jay moe]

At this point in the season, what outcome would you require to say the basketball team had a successful season? Ignore the preseason expectations because they didn't take into account tranfers, suspensions, injuries, etc. Right now, what would be the minimum required for a successful season?

NCAA (not gonna happen), NIT (possible), winning record?

Just winning games would be a success.

 

[cycloneworld]

I think some people have to realize that maybe, just maybe, the team wasn't as good as everyone thought to begin with. Maybe they weren't living up to their potential, because the perception of how much potential they had was way off.

I don't completely disagree with you but we had 1) An NBA Lottery Pick and 1st team All-Big 12 returner, 2) The Big 12 Preseason Newcomer of the Year, and 3) a 3rd year starting point guard.

If we can't even sniff the top 1/2 of the league, let alone an NCAA berth with that...when can we? Next year? Doubt it. Year after? Not likely.

 

[cy1010]

With the talent on this team, I said NCAA or bust before the year started. I expect a NCAA berth.

NIT would be a dissappointment but at least there would be progress.

With the "talent on this team..."

That's my exact point. Three of those guys aren't playing anymore this year. And no one actually knew how good or bad Gilstrap, Colvin, Dendy, Christopherson would be.

Maybe your perception of the talent, and consequently your idea of success was skewed to begin with.

 

[LeaningCy]

I think some people have to realize that maybe, just maybe, the team wasn't as good as everyone thought to begin with. Maybe they weren't living up to their potential, because the perception of how much potential they had was way off.

I think most of us probably had an overly optimistic opinion of this year's team, but don't forget, in nearly every interview with the team in the preseason, they talked about the tourney as well. How could we not expect it?

It's tough to say how far off everyone really was with our predictions given the injuries, departures, suspension, etc. That said, it doesn't explain the poor effort and repeated stupid mistakes every single game.

 

[Wesley]

Hamm may be our leading scorer next year.

 

[clonedude]

At this point, I would define success as putting forth a solid effort for 30-35 minutes per game, eliminating stupid mistakes, capitalizing on gimmes, and playing as a team. W/L seems unimportant right now.

Bingo!

Outside of the Michigan game, Iowa has competed very well recently. They took Ohio St and Michigan St down to the wire. And Michigan St was on the road. Tonight they had a chance with a minute left to beat a decent Illinois team.

And Iowa has VERY little talent at all folks. But they are competing hard. They rebound pretty well, get after loose balls, etc.

Right now, I'd be happy with that. I see no fight in us whatsoever. I see no fight in our head coach. Take a damn technical foul once, just to show your team you care. Get on someone for their stupid mistake. You run the show. Don't treat your team like little babies and coddle them all the time.

I'd just like to see a little fight, a little bit of smarts, and some heart. That is all.

 

[cy1010]

That may be. But let me ask you a question...on the day McDermott was hired, if I told you his first four seasons would go as these last four have...would you have found that acceptable?

Acceptable? To me, personally? That's a weird question IMO. Would I like that to happen? No. But who would like 4 years of sub .500 seasons?

I'm not asking if it's acceptable. I'm asking what counts as success.

 

[Wesley]

We are just so fat footed in rebounding and chasing after balls and dribblers. We cannot even fight through screens..