We are seeing Prohm evolution

From the outside looking in Prohm is incredibly patient. He seems to take a hands off approach at first with the team. He lays down the guidelines of whay he thinks they need to do and leaves it up to the players to figure out.

When things go too far off the tracks he asserts himself. I think he does this to get the team to be self reliant on the court and to get them to peak at the right time. It seemed to work with last year's team but I'm probably talking out of my ass.
 
It is one game , ya a big win in very tough place, but please don't for one second think that prohm is going to win a big 12 title or coach in the elite 8. Prohm is not some newbie coach like Fred who learnt on the Job, he has experience and this is his best, which is not very good.

Todays win shows the potential this team has, which Prohm is not able to bring out consistently.
Let these close loses be reminder he is a terrible coach and this is his 11TH year coaching

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I just don't get you people. There is no pleasing you. You people have been spoiled by five short years of success, and you're already stuck in the past. Why you would ever want to get rid of Prohm, I will never understand. You people don't seem to realize that we will not find a better coach to replace him -- nobody good or established will want to come here knowing we canned a coach after a Sweet 16 appearance and one semi-off-year without two players from the previous squad that ended up in the NBA/D-League. Constant coaching carousels is called "brutally murdering a [promising] program".

It's a stretch itself to say Hoiberg learned on the job, considering how much time he had spent both as a player and as a front office person. It's not like he never saw how coaching worked prior to taking the job. He knew already how to coach. Hoiberg also never won in AFH in his coaching career, while having more games played there (he was close, though). Yeah, he learned some things, but he had lots of ideas already in place. He wasn't writing a new playbook from scratch on day one, he's been around basketball enough to know how it works.

Prohm spent what, nine years at the mid-major level? I mean, yeah, it'll take some time to go from shoddy mid-level play (and being very successful at it), to coming in and storming arguably the best conference in basketball with a team structure that is not similar to what he was used to, nor was previously coached in a similar manner to his. Yeah, we have some losses. They aren't only coaching failures, they were also outright failures by players to execute at varying points throughout those games. It happens. The blame falls on both, just like the credit for victory does.

Our team is not built the best, either. We have no dominant post players. We have serviceable ones at best (Young should get better with time). It's hard to play in our league with no post play. It's also a reason why our defense, while good, gives up so many points in the lane, rebounds, and putback shots -- they have no inside presence due to a lack of that type of player. Prohm tried to recruit that and had what, two kids either not go to college at all or not show up until mid-season? That's not really his fault.

As for having on-and-off offense, I can break that down for you very easily: when we score a lot, we are either moving the ball and our players around well, or we are just draining everything we throw up. When we don't score and go on droughts, it's because our guys are standing around not creating anything on the floor. It's really not hard to see that. Should Prohm really have to go out there and remind our guys to move around once in a while on offense, specifically this group of mostly Hoiberg players who used to specialize ball movement and creating shots? I don't think so. That seems to me to be more of a player-level failure than a coach-level failure. They should know what their jobs on the court are, and what do to. If anything, they should at least be able to make it up on the fly, and they sometimes have even struggled to do that. We have 6 seniors clocking time in each game, players with that level of experience should have a pretty good idea of what to do regardless of what Prohm says or doesn't say.

Prohm's timeouts, inbounding, and some clock management are questionable. I fully agree with anybody that says those things. Inbounding might have a little blame on the players, too, but we do seem to make it much harder than it needs to be, which probably falls moreso on Prohm. Hopefully that develops over time. As for timeouts, I hate the whole "timeout after own made basket" thing. Drives me insane, it really does. Clock management is usually good, but sometimes they do weird things in late game situations. Some have worked and others have not, so I'm not totally sure what to attribute that to yet.

TL;DR: Just stop complaining. You are the type of person that other message boards make fun of.
 
I have no proof that he's evolving...if they find 4-5 more wins over the next 4 weeks I might start to believe it.

I think he sticks to his plan, and the players seem to stick with what he's wanting. That doesn't always happen.
 
And like Rhoads, Fred never sniffed a conference title.

I see no point in comparing the success of the two honestly.

My point is only that raw emotion takes you so far.
 
Let's all pump the brakes and let the season play out. I hope you're right but I wouldn't advise taking your nut cup off.

"Nut cap?" Really? The previous two posters are talking about Prohm caring for his players and about how he's emphasized defense with this team. If you think people need a "nut cap" for stating the obvious, maybe you should take off your "nuts cap!"

Unbelievable how some people get so ingrained to their preconceived ideas that they have to get negative on anyone who posts even the slightest thing positive. If you can't see the obvious which was pointed out by the previous two posters, then you truly are blind.
 
"Nut cap?" Really? The previous two posters are talking about Prohm caring for his players and about how he's emphasized defense with this team. If you think people need a "nut cap" for stating the obvious, maybe you should take off your "nuts cap!"

Unbelievable how some people get so ingrained to their preconceived ideas that they have to get negative on anyone who posts even the slightest thing positive. If you can't see the obvious which was pointed out by the previous two posters, then you truly are blind.
Really? Did you see the threads posted yesterday belittling posters who have questioned Prohm. Yesterday was great but Prohm is far from perfect and I think some people have gone to far the other way. If we start winning more of these games the rest of the year then we can start really thinking something clicked but we still should have cautious optimism.
 
Really? Did you see the threads posted yesterday belittling posters who have questioned Prohm. Yesterday was great but Prohm is far from perfect and I think some people have gone to far the other way. If we start winning more of these games the rest of the year then we can start really thinking something clicked but we still should have cautious optimism.

Let's list all the perfect coaches:
 
Did I say there were perfect coaches? Prohm has earned most of the criticism he has gotten.

I disagree. Those who have something against him as a baseline seem to ignore evidence to the contrary. His tenure hasn't been exactly as many would have hoped (especially if you were expecting a continued rate of ascent), but I think he's done an admirable job of managing the transition (not an easy thing by any stretch) and you'd be hard pressed to provide evidence that he hasn't maintained the standards of success that Fred set. By all means, please try though.
 
One decision I thought was interesting and obviously worked out was the defense on Mason towards end of regulation and overtime. I don't think he got much more than a free throw or two the last few minutes of regulation and overtime. I thought after Jackson had gotten completely lost on someone, I think Mykawhatever, and was charged with guarding Mason, he did pretty well. But that last play of regulation, Prohm had Naz on him the whole play. Would have thought Mason would have gotten around Naz and gotten a bailout foul, but he wasted too much time and pulled up. Then having the bigger defender on him seemed an advantage. Not sure what the thought process was on defending that last play of regulation, but glad it worked.
 
Did I say there were perfect coaches? Prohm has earned most of the criticism he has gotten.

No, no he has not. But it comes with the territory, where some fans are quick to criticize, and slow to praise.

The fact dude has 20% of wins over top 3 teams in ISU history pretty much says he is a pretty good coach and I think for the most part most people feel he has done a solid job. Only a small group of fans who, for some reason, thought this team was going to finish first even though it graduated its entire front line. Not sure where that came from.

Last time I checked they were picked to finish 4th in the preseason poll, as we stand today we sit tied for 3rd.

So yes I would say that Prohm has not earned most the criticism he has gotten.
 
"Nut cap?" Really? The previous two posters are talking about Prohm caring for his players and about how he's emphasized defense with this team. If you think people need a "nut cap" for stating the obvious, maybe you should take off your "nuts cap!"

Unbelievable how some people get so ingrained to their preconceived ideas that they have to get negative on anyone who posts even the slightest thing positive. If you can't see the obvious which was pointed out by the previous two posters, then you truly are blind.

Lol you really are a special kind of stupid.
 
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No, no he has not. But it comes with the territory, where some fans are quick to criticize, and slow to praise.

The fact dude has 20% of wins over top 3 teams in ISU history pretty much says he is a pretty good coach and I think for the most part most people feel he has done a solid job. Only a small group of fans who, for some reason, thought this team was going to finish first even though it graduated its entire front line. Not sure where that came from.

Last time I checked they were picked to finish 4th in the preseason poll, as we stand today we sit tied for 3rd.

So yes I would say that Prohm has not earned most the criticism he has gotten.

20%? Doesn't he have 2 out of the 3 or something?
 
My opinion is that Prohm is learning, but he's also awful damned stubborn with what he thinks he already knows.

That's how learning works. If you are too reactive to every little thing that happens, you end up chasing a lot of noise. If you are too stubborn, you end up not reacting to real signal. As fans we tend to put too much credence into short-term trends. It's up to the coach to be able to tell the difference, regardless of what the fans think, to put the team in the best positions to win.
 
One decision I thought was interesting and obviously worked out was the defense on Mason towards end of regulation and overtime. I don't think he got much more than a free throw or two the last few minutes of regulation and overtime. I thought after Jackson had gotten completely lost on someone, I think Mykawhatever, and was charged with guarding Mason, he did pretty well. But that last play of regulation, Prohm had Naz on him the whole play. Would have thought Mason would have gotten around Naz and gotten a bailout foul, but he wasted too much time and pulled up. Then having the bigger defender on him seemed an advantage. Not sure what the thought process was on defending that last play of regulation, but glad it worked.

I think the key there is Naz's size and strength. Mason tends to bulldoze and push off, and ended up pushing himself backward rather than Naz.
 
From the outside looking in Prohm is incredibly patient. He seems to take a hands off approach at first with the team. He lays down the guidelines of whay he thinks they need to do and leaves it up to the players to figure out.

When things go too far off the tracks he asserts himself. I think he does this to get the team to be self reliant on the court and to get them to peak at the right time. It seemed to work with last year's team but I'm probably talking out of my ass.

What's the quote?
Great teams are led by the players, good teams are led by coaches, and bad teams are led by no one.
 
I like that he kept Donovan in the second half. I know Matt is hurt, but dj gets it.

I really liked our crunch time line up yesterday. Hopefully Matt gets healthy, cause we're going to need him, but Jackson has really been coming on lately and gives us another option.

Solomon is so active that when the game starts slowing down for him, think he's going to be a double double machine.
 

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