We are witnessing Prohm evolve into a big time college coach right in front of our eyes. His near tears tonight in post game tell me 100 percent we hired the right guy. He wants this for the players. Let's just enjoy the ride as fans. The guy knows what he is doing and we are lucky to have him.
We are seeing Prohm evolution
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I know we're not running the offense we ran with Fred, but we're also not the pushover defense we were either. We force turnovers now - a lot of them. I'm impressed that Prohm has been able to turn this into a defensively capable team. It's difficult to teach defense. He's doing it.
Let's all pump the brakes and let the season play out. I hope you're right but I wouldn't advise taking your nut cup off.
It is one game , ya a big win in very tough place, but please don't for one second think that prohm is going to win a big 12 title or coach in the elite 8. Prohm is not some newbie coach like Fred who learnt on the Job, he has experience and this is his best, which is not very good.
Todays win shows the potential this team has, which Prohm is not able to bring out consistently.
Let these close loses be reminder he is a terrible coach and this is his 11TH year coaching
Todays win shows the potential this team has, which Prohm is not able to bring out consistently.
Let these close loses be reminder he is a terrible coach and this is his 11TH year coaching
There seems to be a weird infatuation with nut cups on these threads. I wouldn't advise anyone to put one on in the first place.
Did anybody else call who the "disagree" was on the OP before they checked?
As an alum, I like the guy. He's humble, sincere, approachable and appreciates his local context. He recruits well (early and often) and I think the players respect him. He won't embarrass the university and will win a lot of games (my expectations are not that ISU will be a Top-10 power perenially, but Top 25-ish most years). He's deferential to the program's history and ties to Hoiberg and wants to be a good custodian of what legacy we have at ISU.
You can always think that the grass is greener with another coach but you never know what a successor is going to give you. You might have an A-lister for whom ISU is only a stopover to get a more elite job; or maybe he can't recruit. Or he cuts corners. Some coaches bring the kind of embarrassments that no university wants - strippers at Louisville, anyone? Widespread academic fraud like at UNC? Eustachy's post-game antics? (I'm told he's a reformed man but at the time, it was a black eye for ISU. My co-workers on the East Coast were giving me grief about it).
The MBB is a marketing and PR tool for ISU, as well as being a part of the students' on-campus experience. Until I see otherwise, he seems like he checks the boxes to lead ISU's program.
You can always think that the grass is greener with another coach but you never know what a successor is going to give you. You might have an A-lister for whom ISU is only a stopover to get a more elite job; or maybe he can't recruit. Or he cuts corners. Some coaches bring the kind of embarrassments that no university wants - strippers at Louisville, anyone? Widespread academic fraud like at UNC? Eustachy's post-game antics? (I'm told he's a reformed man but at the time, it was a black eye for ISU. My co-workers on the East Coast were giving me grief about it).
The MBB is a marketing and PR tool for ISU, as well as being a part of the students' on-campus experience. Until I see otherwise, he seems like he checks the boxes to lead ISU's program.
Who pissed in your Cheerios. Easy ignore, so thank you .
Also, 'learnt' isn't a word.
As long as prohm got it through his head that small ball isn't the best option 90% of the time he may have evolved alittle.
My opinion is that Prohm is learning, but he's also awful damned stubborn with what he thinks he already knows.
But for me, I had no illusions when he got here. He coached at Murray State - not exactly the big time - and he had two NBA point guards. Of course he was successful. That said, he was pretty wildly successful.
But now he's in the B12. He's coaching against major talent as well as Self, Huggins, etc... If he's going to sustain success here he's absolutely going to HAVE to pay attention and steal the best from others at this level - and above.
It drives me absolutely wild that he won't even consider two-for-one at the end of halves or that he doesn't run inbounds plays (at least not successfully). It is my impression that Self had the sense to see how successful Hoiberg was with the two-for-one and made it a much bigger part of his strategy. He's smart enough to steal success. And both Hoiberg and Self are masters of the inbounds plays. One of the great joys of watching Hoiberg coach was watching a big run the equivalent of a wheel route and come soaring in from the right baseline for an alley-oop slam. And it worked - repeatedly.
Those things steal points. Imagine our record the last two years if we had stolen two points a game. And I don't think that's overplaying it.
I have been very impressed with his recruiting. It's not stellar, but it's pretty damned good. I really appreciate his message of "win the day". It harkens to Campbell's "trust the process". Those are life lessons that will make the player and team better.
We'll see over the next few years how he adapts. If he sticks exclusively to his roots and pursues exclusively what he's learned from Kennedy - my expectations won't be that high. But if he shows he can adapt and learn I think he's got everything in front of him.
But for me, I had no illusions when he got here. He coached at Murray State - not exactly the big time - and he had two NBA point guards. Of course he was successful. That said, he was pretty wildly successful.
But now he's in the B12. He's coaching against major talent as well as Self, Huggins, etc... If he's going to sustain success here he's absolutely going to HAVE to pay attention and steal the best from others at this level - and above.
It drives me absolutely wild that he won't even consider two-for-one at the end of halves or that he doesn't run inbounds plays (at least not successfully). It is my impression that Self had the sense to see how successful Hoiberg was with the two-for-one and made it a much bigger part of his strategy. He's smart enough to steal success. And both Hoiberg and Self are masters of the inbounds plays. One of the great joys of watching Hoiberg coach was watching a big run the equivalent of a wheel route and come soaring in from the right baseline for an alley-oop slam. And it worked - repeatedly.
Those things steal points. Imagine our record the last two years if we had stolen two points a game. And I don't think that's overplaying it.
I have been very impressed with his recruiting. It's not stellar, but it's pretty damned good. I really appreciate his message of "win the day". It harkens to Campbell's "trust the process". Those are life lessons that will make the player and team better.
We'll see over the next few years how he adapts. If he sticks exclusively to his roots and pursues exclusively what he's learned from Kennedy - my expectations won't be that high. But if he shows he can adapt and learn I think he's got everything in front of him.
Just because he cares doesn't mean he is the right coach. Maybe he is and people's concerns aren't valid but the jury is still out.
Prohm finally put the game plan in that called for Burton to hit 7-9 3s. Genius.
And we held KU under 90
And we held KU under 90
it is a tough call. I will say this, of all the close losses this year, this was the one the team had the least chance of winning. The lack of a big on this team is still going to make it rely too much on making outside shots. I am more concerned about Young's development at this point than Prohm's.
I think he is a decent coach that got caught in a bad recruiting situation in terms of bigs. He swung for the fence with Lard and the guy that decided to try the pros and struck. His grad transfer has not been near as good as everyone hoped. It happens sometimes. Fred was better at the grad transfer game than Prohm, but at this point the team shouldn't have to be counting on a grad transfer to come in and be a starter. Prohm could probably do a few things better, but let's not act like he has all the pieces in place to be a national contender.
As far as any coaching evolution, there is none. The guys are playing hard, and doing what they can. ISU shot well and won yesterday. They were actually more impressive in the close losses to good teams, but I am not going to say that they didn't deserve to get one after dropping so many close ones in the final minute.
I think he is a decent coach that got caught in a bad recruiting situation in terms of bigs. He swung for the fence with Lard and the guy that decided to try the pros and struck. His grad transfer has not been near as good as everyone hoped. It happens sometimes. Fred was better at the grad transfer game than Prohm, but at this point the team shouldn't have to be counting on a grad transfer to come in and be a starter. Prohm could probably do a few things better, but let's not act like he has all the pieces in place to be a national contender.
As far as any coaching evolution, there is none. The guys are playing hard, and doing what they can. ISU shot well and won yesterday. They were actually more impressive in the close losses to good teams, but I am not going to say that they didn't deserve to get one after dropping so many close ones in the final minute.
Man, I remember all these experts during Fred's first year saying he couldn't coach. Then, during his second, the success was only because he had Bobby Lutz as an assistant. And he clearly didn't know what he was doing because he didn't foul McKlemore before he could bank in a 3 to send that game in Lawrence into OT.
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I think Coach Prohm has a system, and that Fred's players fit in that system, but loosely. He inherited some very free flowing, highly skilled, offensively talented players. I think he prefers more physical, balanced players. Not that these kids haven't bought in, but this group has been a streaky one since their freshman year. Lots of huge runs both ways that make a game hard to predict. Never out of it, but the other team isn't always out of it either.
Next year is really a fresh start, and it will be hard to judge him on that either with all the talent gone. The new talent coming in is fantastic though, and their second year here will probably look like a Steve Prohm team.
Next year is really a fresh start, and it will be hard to judge him on that either with all the talent gone. The new talent coming in is fantastic though, and their second year here will probably look like a Steve Prohm team.
Don't know what the infatuation is with Hoiball. There is more than one way to skin a cat. SP has accomplished almost as much as Fred did in a season and a half.
