TJ bio . . .
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True, and while I think TJ would want to stay even if he has great success, I thought Fred would too, so the "he wants to be here" means very little if anything. Who wouldn't want to be anywhere they can get paid millions for doing what they love?
Did he do the game planning for McDermott too?
I'm just playing devil's advocate. I like TJ. And outside of Hornacek, I'm ok with him taking over. I think it's our best shot at continuity. And we need that next year. But.....people continue to gloss over the fact that he was part of the McDermott administration. Did he help game plan? Did he help coach? Idk. But we were a huge pile of **** during those years.
CycloneErik
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The most troubling thing about Otz is that he learned to coach under McD. I mean, he had some years under Fred to correct that. But it's kinda like become a 5-star chef when you learned knife skills under Edward Scissorhands. :twitcy:
And let's not pretend that the coaching pool from which JP has hired hasn't been abysmally limited by what Iowa State athletics has been over the decades.
You say JP has done poorly hiring coaches because those coaches have not been successful at Iowa State (at least, I infer that's what you are saying). There are plenty of us who believe many of those coaches have failed not so much because of their inabilities but because of the traditional weakness of Iowa State athletics has been too much to overcome.
Many of us believe JP's performance has not been unlike the unofficial U.S. Marine Corps motto, "We get more done before 6 am than most people do all day. . . ." My gosh, ISU, with all its disadvantages, ranks very well in national collegiate all sports competition. Football is the mountain so hard to scale. If JP had a magic wand and a Texas-sized tradition and budget, well, then. . . .
It is tougher at Iowa State. It just is. It's tougher than just about anywhere else in the elite conferences. Sayin' it ain't so is a denial of reality, many of us are sure to argue to those of you who believe you know better than JP how to direct ISU athletics.
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No doubt JP has done some good things, especially in the minor sports, but imo football at a P-5 school is an a.d.'s most important job by far. ISU's historical winning percentage is around 46% in football, and do you want to know the combined winning percentage of JP's two hires? Needless to say there has to be some major progress there.
I'll be happy to volunteer to moderate the "Horny Press Conference Welcome Thread."
Love how Fred isn't even gone yet and opinions on CF about his replacement are hardened to the point that one person or another would have to be considered unacceptable, for various reasons.
Coming soon to CF, the inevitable declarations from some people claiming to be done with ISU basketball as a result of whomever is hired, followed by several years of drive-by potshots taken following ISU losses from the same. Or conversely, the denials that they ever said anything bad about a candidate for a job until others resurrect one of these threads following a big win.
You know who you are. It's all so ridiculous.
Coming soon to CF, the inevitable declarations from some people claiming to be done with ISU basketball as a result of whomever is hired, followed by several years of drive-by potshots taken following ISU losses from the same. Or conversely, the denials that they ever said anything bad about a candidate for a job until others resurrect one of these threads following a big win.
You know who you are. It's all so ridiculous.
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Maybe we should looks at TJs bio compared to the other B12 coaches.
TJ 0 wins, 0 conf champs, 0 ncaa wins
johnson 262 wins, PAC coy, 2 conf champs, 5 ncaa wins
smart 163 wins, 2 conf champs, 7 ncaa wins, 1 final 4
ford 331 wins, 2 conf champs
webber 374 wins, Nat coy, MVC coy, B10 coy, B12 coy, 6 conf champs, 11 ncaa wins
smith 536 wins, Nat coy, MVC coy (2), SEC coy (3), 5 conf champs, 31 ncaa wins, 1 final 4, 1 NC
drew 247 wins, 1 conf champ, 8 ncaa wins
huggins 765 wins, Nat coy, CUSA coy (3), B12 coy, OVC coy, 20 conf champs, 31 ncaa wins, 2 final 4
kruger 561 wins, 69 NBA wins, SEC coy (2), MWC coy, B12 coy, 3 conf champs, 19 ncaa wins, 1 final 4
self 559 wins, Nat coy (3), B12 coy (6), WAC coy, 15 conf champs, 27 ncaa wins, 2 final 4, 1 NC
one of these things is not like the others.
TJ 0 wins, 0 conf champs, 0 ncaa wins
johnson 262 wins, PAC coy, 2 conf champs, 5 ncaa wins
smart 163 wins, 2 conf champs, 7 ncaa wins, 1 final 4
ford 331 wins, 2 conf champs
webber 374 wins, Nat coy, MVC coy, B10 coy, B12 coy, 6 conf champs, 11 ncaa wins
smith 536 wins, Nat coy, MVC coy (2), SEC coy (3), 5 conf champs, 31 ncaa wins, 1 final 4, 1 NC
drew 247 wins, 1 conf champ, 8 ncaa wins
huggins 765 wins, Nat coy, CUSA coy (3), B12 coy, OVC coy, 20 conf champs, 31 ncaa wins, 2 final 4
kruger 561 wins, 69 NBA wins, SEC coy (2), MWC coy, B12 coy, 3 conf champs, 19 ncaa wins, 1 final 4
self 559 wins, Nat coy (3), B12 coy (6), WAC coy, 15 conf champs, 27 ncaa wins, 2 final 4, 1 NC
one of these things is not like the others.
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I bet we can find someone who would fit right in with those resumes that would come to ISU, right?
Like it or not we aren't a great job, we've only been winning again for 4 years, we are going to have to do some things differently and take some chances. The Hoiberg risk worked out alright, lets just hope this one does too. Ultimately I haven't heard a name yet that would be a sure fire success, I personally would take the guy we know can recruit.
I'm so tired of hearing this...no one wants to coach lowly Iowa State. That's BS. Auburn, Alabama, Arizona State, TCU, Texas Tech, and many others landed established head coaches. To say ISU can't is pure bull ****. If Iowa State hires TJ it will be because they wanted to...not that no one ese wanted the job.
Oklahoma hired Lon Kruger.
Iowa hired McCaffrey and that job was a dumpster fire.
Virginia Tech hired Buzz Williams!
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I agree it's a great question. I think a lot of assistants have some trouble with running the program at first. Rhoads has implied that he had that problem adjusting from being an assistant coach. TJ, by all accounts, is tireless, though. As head coach, I'd think he could still hammer Wisconsin as a recruiter while doing the HC duties. It may help a lot if they keep all the Micah Byars/Nate Loesner types on staff to keep all the odds and ends running smoothly.
I think Memphis hiring Pastner is a decent comparison to ISU hiring Otzelberger (if they do). Both are young guys without HC experience following a great coach. Both known to be great recruiters. Both Iowa State and Memphis are good jobs, but not near the top of the heap.
Of all those teams you mentioned that hired coaches... who would you pick to coach ISU? Honest question.
Of those I listed, I'd take Lon Kruger (by far). But Buzz Williams, Bobbly Hurley, and Bruce Pearl would all have been home run hires for ISU.
