TJ bio . . .
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Me too. TJ may make an awesome head coach. And if he is hired at ISU I will cheer for him just as hard as I cheered for Fred.
But I don't think the hire should go unquestioned either.
If you read onward in the thread I linked, there is a little more about TJ not getting an interview, but just rumors: http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171275&page=8
It makes me laugh how many on here think TJ will do just fine...We won't even get Max B who would be a sub and 8-9th man in rotation if TJ is coach yet some of you think somehow he will get good recruits when he's the actual HC and not somebody named Fred or Romar?? Lmao. This is exactly why someone like TJ needs to start out at a low mid major..have success developing kids and winning then move up. Then recruits will have a baseline to judge before they throw 3-4 years of college bball for and with him. This will be pollards ultimate and last failure.
I wonder how many people wanted Hornacek before he became a HC. Or what long list of guys we have to pick from that are good HC's. You'd think they have jobs already. Or do you want someone who's been fired?
There's risk in every hire. And the "safe" hires aren't going to take you far.
Horny is the only home run. Everyone else is pretty risky.
There's risk in every hire. And the "safe" hires aren't going to take you far.
Horny is the only home run. Everyone else is pretty risky.
There is no one if that is your criteria. Hoiberg/ISU is the definition of one off, once in a lifetime situation. I think that is a big thing that is causing a lot of the issues that fans are currently having. All of the potential ISU coaching posts and feelings have been spawned from a place of anger and sadness.
This is ISU. EVERY hire is risky, and it's not about the coach usually it is about who we are and what we are in comparison to where people thing we are and what we should be. There's not a ton of rational thought right now.
Personally I think a lot of people could succeed here but there is not a "No risk" hire that we could make right now. It could be argued through speculation that TJ would be the least risky hire unless you are willing to just throw out what is right in front of us next year. I'm probably in the minority but I think next year's team has a chance to do huge things and TJ maximizes that FOR NEXT YEAR. If we do those things, it won't matter who the coach is in the years following because a Final Four or hell even ending KU's streak and a top 10 finish with a decent tourney would catapult the program to never before reached heights.
My point is; we need next year and if I'm the AD I'm taking the temperature of next year's team as one of the main factors in what I decide to do.
CycloneErik
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A lot of us are betting that JP takes that risk. Many of us aren't convinced that Otz is fully vetted, and nothing says that he's ready for a job like this. This would be JP setting up his buddy for a rough, rough fall in the eyes of the fans. Impossible situation for a first coaching gig.
Maybe he's great. Maybe he's not. Nobody has been real eager to find out so far, and that seems like a problem.
I posted it earlier, but I think a lot of it is appearance. People want to know that due diligence was done on the hire.
He has been an assistant coach for 9 years, and in only 2 of those years did the team finish better than 2 games over .500. 4 losing seasons under McD, one losing season and 2 winning seasons under Fred, and 17-15 and 16-15 at Wash. For being a great recruiter, there hasn't been a whole lot of winning associated with him.
How do you know who we will and won't get? And how do you know he won't do better than Max? This recruiting perioid is mostly over, but I wouldn't be surprised if an idiot like you judged him for a recruiting period that wasn't even his.
Irrelevant question. He has proven himself as a quality HC in the NBA. A lot of us want someone that has already proven themselves as a winner that will continue moving our program in the right direction.
Coaches have to start somewhere. Hire the great coaches before someone else does, because the proven great coaches are taken. Typically, the great coaches were assistants for other great coaches.
So a guy that has been at ISU in some capacity for like 10 years hasn't been fully vetted but some mid-major guy that we've been in on for three weeks before we hire him can be "fully vetted"? JFC man are you going to make your dad take a paternity test so you can make sure there aren't any lingering doubts?
A successful mid-major coach is a fine candidate, if they have proven to be successful, to move on to a high major coaching position. It's a natural progression. For someone like Otz at 37 years old, the natural progression would be to go to a low major or maybe a mid major. Going from an assistant to a HC @ a P5 school is too much of a leap.
CycloneErik
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Why not? I think it would be a ground-breaking experience for the whole family.
Right. But the majority start at a mid-major, prove themselves, and work their way up. It's pretty rare to jump right to an above average Power 5 school.
More than likely the mid major coach has proven himself with conference titles, ncaa tournament berths, tournament wins, etc. TJ has been apart of 2 teams that made the NCAA tournament. Out of 10.
