*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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If the ultimate goal is championships they were much better off in the Big 12 than the SEC. They were only competing with Oklahoma and Texas each for the Big 12 title. In the SEC they will be going up against Florida, Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, and Tennessee. I see all of those programs and probably Georgia as more likely to get to the SEC title game and actually win the conference than A&M.

Tennessee and Arkansas aren't there at this time. If you include them than you have to include Texas Tech and Mizzou from the Big 12. Those teams are EXACTLY the same. And than you throw Okie State in the mix too.
 
Winning the SEC in football is tougher than winning the Big 12. When was the last time A&M football did something awesome in this conference?

At any rate, if they want to go, so be it. No sense in fretting over it. If this conference is on a short leash, I'd rather the implosion happen sooner than later.
 
Conference Instability and Basketball Recruiting

I'd like to take a different spin with this realignment. I realize it makes its bed with football but do you think this is going to affect Fred's recruiting at all? I know it doesn't appear as though it has but I could see it being a legitimate concern. Now, if they stuck with 9 teams I like our chances with a 16 game round-robin schedule down the road.


And yes, I realize this is not official yet
 
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Its always been PR for Texas.. They want to get exactly what they want but not look like the bad guy

If A&M is out the door.. History will remember A&M starting the superconference movement, that pr blight isn't on their hands
 
Why? Why is it an awful move? Do people honestly believe that Texas A&M couldn't compete in the SEC? Really? So teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss can be successful but not Texas A&M who has unbelievable talent in their state?

Because A&M in the last decade hasn't been able to compete in the Big 12, a much less deep conference than the SEC, with all of that in-state talent you claim.
 
Really? South Carolina was in the SEC title game last year. Your telling me that South Carolina last year was that much better than A&M? It's not a great conference but do you really see programs like Tennessee, Georgia, Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky, Miss State, Arkansas as being better than A&M right now? In the future?

I think their recruiting improves too. Guys that want to stay in Texas but play in the SEC. Best of both worlds

YES!
 
If the ultimate goal is championships they were much better off in the Big 12 than the SEC. They were only competing with Oklahoma and Texas each year for the Big 12 title. In the SEC they will be going up against Florida, Auburn, LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, and Tennessee. I see all of those programs and probably Georgia as more likely to get to the SEC title game and actually win the conference than A&M.
Georgia? Georgia went 6-7 last year. You are crazy if you think Georgia would beat A&M, and Tennessee for that matter who also went 6-7. I'm not saying A&M will be very successful, but they are better than those two programs.
 
If A&M goes to the SEC, and UT goes to the Pac 10, then A&M would likely move up a lot in the minds of Texas athletes. If you have grown up a fan of the Big 12 and that no longer exists, the SEC would seem to be a bigger pull than the Pac 10, IMO. UT would still play OU every year, which would mean something to Texas athletes, but A&M playing Bama, LSU, Auburn and Arkansas every year would be pretty enticing. OTOH, if A&M could become a laughing stock in the SEC too.
 
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Why? Why is it an awful move? Do people honestly believe that Texas A&M couldn't compete in the SEC? Really? So teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss can be successful but not Texas A&M who has unbelievable talent in their state?
Agreed....The SEC is a tough conference no doubt about it. There are teams from other conferences that have good records vs SEC teams. Some of the reforms that are on the way will impact the SEC more than any other conference. A&M will be able to compete in the SEC.
 
Because A&M in the last decade hasn't been able to compete in the Big 12, a much less deep conference than the SEC, with all of that in-state talent you claim.

No doubt they've been down. Tons of programs have rough spots. I'm no A&M fan and also realize that the SEC is the premier conference but let's not act like it's going to be impossible for A&M to win. They're just as good this year as any other SEC school not named Alabama
 
In the Big 12 I'd say A&M had a 20% chance of playing the title game each year and a 10% chance of winning the conference. In the SEC there is no chance they have over a 10% chance of winning the conference or even getting to the title game in any given year. They will lose at least two games playing an SEC schedule each year and in most years they will lose 3 or 4 conference games.
 
Orangebloods.com - D-Day appears imminent for 10-member Big 12

Upon learning of Loftin's alleged meeting with SEC officials before huddling with Big 12 ADs on Aug. 1, one official at a Big 12 school questioned the Aggies and their Code of Honor, which states, "An Aggie does not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do."

The source said Texas A&M made a 10-year pledge to hold the Big 12 Conference together when ABC/ESPN vowed a year ago to keep paying the Big 12 as if it was still a 12-member league with a championship game. The source also questioned if A&M might be liable for breach of contract after signing a 13-year, $1.17 billion TV contract with Fox Sports for the Big 12's second-tier rights to football in April.

Yeah, perhaps A&M made a pledge to the conference, but I find it ironic that Texas is the one calling them out on it. Everyone pledged to the conference under the guise that the LHN was only going to air one Texas game. After everyone pledges, the LHN announces they want to air high school games and a second football game.

The Southwest Conference was a crooked, dirty league and the Texas schools have carried those dirty, crooked, egos with them to the Big 12.
 
Georgia? Georgia went 6-7 last year. You are crazy if you think Georgia would beat A&M, and Tennessee for that matter who also went 6-7. I'm not saying A&M will be very successful, but they are better than those two programs.

Well, assuming that the SEC keeps with geography for divisions, I don't care if aTm is better than a lot of teams in the SEC East. That's not the division they'll be in. They'll be in with 'Bama, Auburn, LSU, MSU, and Arkansas. That's brutal.
 
No. Both teams won 9 games. Both teams had good wins.

Regardless, aTm wouldn't have made the title game had they been in the SEC last year. They would have been lucky to win 7 games, total, last season had they been in the SEC
 
I hate A&M, but I think at this point, we should kick them out and add some ****** team from Texas.
 
In the Big 12 I'd say A&M had a 20% chance of playing the title game each year and a 10% chance of winning the conference. In the SEC there is no chance they have over a 10% chance of winning the conference or even getting to the title game in any given year. They will lose at least two games playing an SEC schedule each year and in most years they will lose 3 or 4 conference games.

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Boomer says OU Rivals site says "If the luring teams to the Big XII does not happen, Texas will rework ESPN or drop it entirely & OU/Texas/Tech/OSU will join Pac12."

Then why the hell not drop the ESPN contract now and save the big 12 and stop the insanity?

+1000, what a bunch a ****s
 
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