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Some guys are going to have to get their feelings hurt and some guys are not going to be happy. Can't keep playing everyone for 15 minutes.

Fred needs to figure out who is going to play and who isn't. McKay brings nothing on offense and his minutes have to go down. He is fine defensively but if you want to play the way Fred wants to play McKay minutes have to go down. It allows you to put your 4 on George and that matchup is better for the opposition.

BDJ. He just isn't that good. he's fine, but you can't have him in the game for long. He doesn't play hard enough for long enough. Defensively he is a liability, he gets lost, and the ball stops with him a lot. His spacing is off and plays out of control half the time. Way to often he has no idea where he is supposed to be. As far as I am concerned the BDJ experiment failed. You just can't have him on the floor instead of Naz Long.

BDJ gives you nothing.
Nader and Long are better defenders, better ball handlers, better shooters and can play hard for a long time. BDJ just isn't mentally strong enough to give you more than a few minutes. Nader needs more minutes. It's just insane to have BDJ out there instead of Nader.

Naz Long has to be on the floor, Morris has to be on the floor. Almost at all times. Nader has to play.

Make a decision if you are playing Houge or McKay, get Nader on the floor, tell BDJ it ain't working and lets get this going again.

Just no reason to lose that game last night. This team is playing like garbage right now.

If you lose against KU Saturday you are 3 games back of them, and it's over.

Hahahahaha. So much fail in one post
 

Clonefan32

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Certain portions of this fan base have sure gotten spoiled over the last 3-4 years. We are 2-1 in conference, with two quality road wins (Iowa and WVU), ranked 11th in the country with Gameday coming to watch us beat KU on Saturday and tie for first place in the conference and all we can talk about is what's wrong with this team. Take a quick look around the country. Every team has off nights. Every team has struggles on the road. It's going to happen.
 

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Some guys are going to have to get their feelings hurt and some guys are not going to be happy. Can't keep playing everyone for 15 minutes.

Fred needs to figure out who is going to play and who isn't. McKay brings nothing on offense and his minutes have to go down. He is fine defensively but if you want to play the way Fred wants to play McKay minutes have to go down. It allows you to put your 4 on George and that matchup is better for the opposition.

BDJ. He just isn't that good. he's fine, but you can't have him in the game for long. He doesn't play hard enough for long enough. Defensively he is a liability, he gets lost, and the ball stops with him a lot. His spacing is off and plays out of control half the time. Way to often he has no idea where he is supposed to be. As far as I am concerned the BDJ experiment failed. You just can't have him on the floor instead of Naz Long.

BDJ gives you nothing. Nader and Long are better defenders, better ball handlers, better shooters and can play hard for a long time. BDJ just isn't mentally strong enough to give you more than a few minutes. Nader needs more minutes. It's just insane to have BDJ out there instead of Nader.

Naz Long has to be on the floor, Morris has to be on the floor. Almost at all times. Nader has to play.

Make a decision if you are playing Houge or McKay, get Nader on the floor, tell BDJ it ain't working and lets get this going again.

Just no reason to lose that game last night. This team is playing like garbage right now.

If you lose against KU Saturday you are 3 games back of them, and it's over.

Magical.
 

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If Georges hit that last shot, this and many other threads never surface. I think most people just realize that we let a quality road win slip away and want to nit-pick this team to death.

Matt - not a shooter
Georges - slumping
BDJ - selfish
Monte - not driving the lane
Hogue - not rebounding enough
McKay - free throws
Nader - steps out of bounds
Long - ? (I honestly haven't heard much negative stuff about him)
Edozie - why isn't he playing

I think if most people looked at these first 4 conference games, going 3-1 or 2-2 would have been acceptable. For every bad decision by a player, there are so many more good decisions that go unrecognized.

If we are going to blame anyone, let's blame the football team for keeping our enthusiasm bottled up for so damn long.
 

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Not terribly concerned. Lots went right despite some significant adversity. My thought is that a tournament team can't lose. We had a lead under a minute and we lost. Do that in the Big 12 or NCAA and we are gone. It would have been great for the team to feel a win under those circumstances.
 

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Some guys are going to have to get their feelings hurt and some guys are not going to be happy. Can't keep playing everyone for 15 minutes.

Fred needs to figure out who is going to play and who isn't. McKay brings nothing on offense and his minutes have to go down. He is fine defensively but if you want to play the way Fred wants to play McKay minutes have to go down. It allows you to put your 4 on George and that matchup is better for the opposition.

BDJ. He just isn't that good. he's fine, but you can't have him in the game for long. He doesn't play hard enough for long enough. Defensively he is a liability, he gets lost, and the ball stops with him a lot. His spacing is off and plays out of control half the time. Way to often he has no idea where he is supposed to be. As far as I am concerned the BDJ experiment failed. You just can't have him on the floor instead of Naz Long.

BDJ gives you nothing. Nader and Long are better defenders, better ball handlers, better shooters and can play hard for a long time. BDJ just isn't mentally strong enough to give you more than a few minutes. Nader needs more minutes. It's just insane to have BDJ out there instead of Nader.

Naz Long has to be on the floor, Morris has to be on the floor. Almost at all times. Nader has to play.

Make a decision if you are playing Houge or McKay, get Nader on the floor, tell BDJ it ain't working and lets get this going again.

Just no reason to lose that game last night. This team is playing like garbage right now.

If you lose against KU Saturday you are 3 games back of them, and it's over.



troll, moron, or Nader's mom?
 

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I'd have taken 2-1 heading into the KU game in a heartbeat after having to go to Waco and M'town back to back games. This team has some issues that surface from time to time but last night was more about Baylor shooting much better than usual. My only concern is that almost every 3 Baylor hit was a wide open look, Naz and BDJ were lazy several times rotating yesterday ,especially early in the game. Things improved but it was too much to overcome, def not a loss to be worried about IMO. People need to remember, this is the big 12, the best conference in the country.
 

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There's a lot of selective memory among the fan base right now. Last year's team was nowhere close to as good as they were in March in January. The same will be said for this year's team. Just have to trust the process because nobody expected to go undefeated in conference play (as nice as it would be).
 

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Two more thoughts on "what's missing":


1) The lack of expectations: The major difference between this years team and last years team is the level of expectations on this years team are (rightfully so) much higher than last years.

2) It's all in your head: As has been pointed out in this thread, the stats are similar, the results are good, logically the team is in a very good place. They idea that "something is missing" is really just all in your head.
 

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We won 3 road games last year total. Two of which were against tcu and tech. We were a missed layup or a bad call away from being 3-0 on the road so far this season matching our total from last year against two ranked teams and Iowa. You are right our Offense is a bit behind last year but our defense is much better making us more competitive on the road. Otherwise you are just having a case of selective memory. We will win a lot more road games this year than last.

I'm confused are you comparing total road wins to total road wins or conference road wins to conference road wins? It seems you have conference one year and total the other year.

2013-14
non con
BYU
con
TCU
TTU
OSU

2014-15
non con
Iowa
con
WVU
"missed layup or a bad call away" BU

So it is either 3-1("almost 2") conference or 4-2("almost 3") overall.
 

Gunnerclone

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Two more thoughts on "what's missing":


1) The lack of expectations: The major difference between this years team and last years team is the level of expectations on this years team are (rightfully so) much higher than last years.

2) It's all in your head: As has been pointed out in this thread, the stats are similar, the results are good, logically the team is in a very good place. They idea that "something is missing" is really just all in your head.

Yes at the end of the year there is something missing from 322 or whatever teams in D1 CBB. Saying "something is missing" is stupid. Something is missing to....win the National Championship? Something is missing to....beat Baylor at Baylor? Something is missing to...win the Conference Tournament? Those are all very different endeavors encapsulated in one season.

I'm going to have to firm myself up for the onslaught of stupidity that is coming down the pipe. We were a nice little family from years 1-3 of Hoiball. Going forward we're going to have to hire extra wagon drivers to keep the bandwagons moving.
 

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My only concern last night with the offense was that no one challenged Gathers, he's average less than 1 block a game for his career, only has 12 so far this year but Nader, Niang, Morris and McKay all had multiple chances to take the ball right at him and just wouldn't. Instead, they went up weak and didn't finish. Another reason to attack him is, he's one of the most foul prone players in the league. We let him be a rim protector and shot blocker but he's really not either. We need to approach him as a guy that we need to get in foul trouble, our guys were def intimidated by him last night.
 

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Two more thoughts on "what's missing":


1) The lack of expectations: The major difference between this years team and last years team is the level of expectations on this years team are (rightfully so) much higher than last years.

2) It's all in your head: As has been pointed out in this thread, the stats are similar, the results are good, logically the team is in a very good place. They idea that "something is missing" is really just all in your head.

We beat Kansas on Saturday, and we're poised for a 7-1 start in conference play heading into the rematch at Lawrence. That's a decent start.
 

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Here's exactly whats missing. McKay needs help in the paint. Hogue isn't getting it done without Ejim and George giving him dynamic distractions to help his game. McKay goes for the block, and if unsuccessful theres no one there on the boards.

We need better/more effort on defensive boards. It kills me to see Edozie on the bench when he is exactly what we need. Him and McKay together on the floor would be dominate. McKay can play the block Edozie the rebounds and put backs. That allows McKay to get up the floor like we want. Hogue, Niang, BDJ are struggling enough to warrant some playing time to Daniel.

Lastly our half court offense is terrible. No one wants or can create their own shot consistently.
 

CyTwins

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Here's exactly whats missing. McKay needs help in the paint. Hogue isn't getting it done without Ejim and George giving him dynamic distractions to help his game. McKay goes for the block, and if unsuccessful theres no one there on the boards.

We need better/more effort on defensive boards. It kills me to see Edozie on the bench when he is exactly what we need. Him and McKay together on the floor would be dominate. McKay can play the block Edozie the rebounds and put backs. That allows McKay to get up the floor like we want. Hogue, Niang, BDJ are struggling enough to warrant some playing time to Daniel.

Lastly our half court offense is terrible. No one wants or can create their own shot consistently.

He's averaging 11+ ppg, shooting 60% from the floor and pretty much beat Okie State by himself last week.
 

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He's averaging 11+ ppg, shooting 60% from the floor and pretty much beat Okie State by himself last week.

He's also down on his rebounds and consistency. He can become too quiet in games. Same problem George and Bryce are having.
 

CyTwins

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He's also down on his rebounds and consistency. He can become too quiet in games. Same problem George and Bryce are having.

Pretty much everyone on our squad has been inconsistent besides Monte and what we've seen out of McKay
 

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