Yes. If people keep going he has no incentive to change
Possible Decommitment
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Disagree. It’s the most importantthing, but not the only thing that matters.
CycloneErik
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That's the one I was trying and failing to remember. Had Jared Leto, Sheriff Lobo, and others in my attempts. Thanks for remembering this guy.
Ok, I’ll throw in a few more metrics to compare the 3 programs.
Since 1990 (I’ll use 30 years, since thats what the poster alluded to):
ISU: 3 Sweet 16’s. 1 Elite 8. 15 NCAA appearances. 6 Conf Tourney Championships. 2 Reg season Championships. 16 NBA Draft Picks.
Creighton: 0 Sweet 16’s. 0 Elite 8’s. 13 NCAA appearances. 9 Conf Tourney Champs. 5 Reg Season Championships. 6 NBA Draft Picks.
Iowa: 1 Sweet 16. 0 Elite 8’s. 13 NCAA appearances. 2 Conf Tourney Championships. 0 Reg Season Championships. 9 NBA Draft Picks.
And while we’re at it, I’ll add their head to head matchups since 1990.
ISU leads Iowa 16-15
ISU leads Creighton 6-1
So back to my original point, in the last 30 years, ISU is above Iowa and Creighton in basketball. And in some cases, its not even close.
So I've been making some calls tonight about this because it is the first that I had heard of it. The mom does have some sort of an illness ... Dudley is switching schools - now - to get closer to home to help - but is not de-committing from Iowa State based off of all of the knowledge I have. Not really sure where this came from but I figured since it was on my board I should at least try to figure a few things out. Again, there is an illness with the mom and let's all pray that goes well. Of course, anything could happen in the future with family situations but he talked to the staff today about the whole deal and plans on being a Cyclone. I do not consider this to be a story as of now.
Prayers to his family. Great to know he still intends on being here. Would love to see him arrive and make an impact next year with his mom healthy court side in Hilton!
Thank you, Chris. Whether or not he ends up a cyclone, I certainly hope everything works out well for his mother.
This just seems like the opposite of true Cyclone fandom. In all my years of being a fan through some real bad ****, I never felt it necessary to not support the current players.
I dunno, maybe it's amount of money I paid to the university, but not going to games because you don't like the coach
feels like a tavern fan mindset.
Absolutely.
JP has proven over the years that he will not make a change until absolutely necessary when apathy starts to set in. The sooner it happens, the better.
Personally, I might watch 2 more games all year.
We beat Kansas and everyone will jump right back on the bandwagon. Hopefully we can pull an upset in a week
It always does make you wonder... what would things have been like with Eustachy running the show and Wayne recruiting. Think we were set for another solid run of years.
Obviously the alcohol issues are on Larry first and foremost... but no one in the AD getting ahead of that story so it could be handled in a way other than firing didnt help either.
Looking back knowing what we know now. Larry’s days even without alcohol were number. He would never last in todays environment the way he treats players.
So basically "I wonder how it would have gone if Larry wasn't Larry?"
nothing really, but there was positive momentum regarding the program. ISU was in the tournament every year and was usually a top 4 team in the Big 12 under Fred.
ISU basketball was at a peak in results and popularity. ISU needed someone to continue to carry it on. Prohm did fine with Fred's players, but is looking like going 10th, 1st round exit and .500 conference record with a Big 12 tourney title, and going 8th-10th this year. If Hali leaves, likely the same next year.
It's more the opportunity Prohm had to keep the program going but now it's going away.
Personally, I think JP's tardiness on firings has more to do with his optimism, and general friendship with the coaches. Pollard has been here for 15 years now, he knows Iowa St fans will show up, even in rough times.
It just blows my mind that there's Iowa St fans that would discourage other fans from supporting a program.
I am totally in line with no in season firings unless done like CPR and Mac, where the season has one game/week and you let them coach for a game and find a new one.
Also, having a short leash with coaches and firing them on a whim makes it harder to attract future coaching candidates. Places like FSU and USC are having trouble hiring who they want because there is no job security at those places. Coaches don't want to be at places where they are fired after one bad season.
Except it's not one bad season. It's two bad seasons and consistent underachieving across 5 years.
And there are plenty of great coaches who would jump at the opportunity to coach in Hilton.
Such as?
If that was the case, we would've had a better pool to pick from when we hired Prohm in the first place, when they were being offered the keys to a ready-made, successful roster to take over. Now what we're marketing is a complete rebuild after firing a coach with, on paper, a relatively successful track, and subsequently losing the roster and recruiting class by sending him off.
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