Possible candidates for ISU's open OC position...

[CyTwins]

SIAP but are we even going to hire a QB coach or go the same route with QB Coach/OC?

 

[CyTwins]

I think there are a lot of similarities between Sage and Fred. Both were not blessed with the best physical attributes but had the drive to practice hard and learn from many coaches and teammates sufficiently to get them a longer than average professional career. Both are also loyal to their families and schools. The only major difference is that Sage doesn't have the proven front office experience yet to demonstrate his management skills. I think a QB coaching job would be a great start for Sage. I don't know if it would be at Iowa State bui I think he has the attributes that potentially could be successful.

Fred worked hard but he was definitely blessed with physical attributes. You don't get D1 offers for two sports if you weren't

 

[Stormin]

I think there are a lot of similarities between Sage and Fred. Both were not blessed with the best physical attributes but had the drive to practice hard and learn from many coaches and teammates sufficiently to get them a longer than average professional career. Both are also loyal to their families and schools. The only major difference is that Sage doesn't have the proven front office experience yet to demonstrate his management skills. I think a QB coaching job would be a great start for Sage. I don't know if it would be at Iowa State bui I think he has the attributes that potentially could be successful.

No argument that Sage has potential. Just not sure we are ready to put Sage in as the QB Coach at a BCS school with zero coaching experience. IMO, he needs to get some more experience first. Kind of a higher risk hire IMO.

 

[ArgentCy]

Steve Loney from Marshalltown, is an ISU grad, and former McCarney assistant. He has coached at Iowa State, Minnesota, and UConn. He is also a legend in the profession from his out-of-nowhere winning season as (non-scholarship FCS) Drake's HC for their winning season in 2007.
Steve has also coached OL for the Minnesota Vikings, St Louis Rams, and currently with Tampa Bay of the NFL. Who knows if he wants to come home, but the Tampa HC is known to be on the hot seat, so Steve may be looking for a gig anyway.
With Iowa State, Steve was a contemporary of both coach Rhoads and Sage Rosenfels. He could be a good mesh, especially if Sage wants to ease into this by starting out as just the QB coach. Steve also, I happen to know, is a favorite of Viking play-by-play, and KFAN morning host Paul Allen, from his days with the Vikings. (As are Sage and Fred Hoiberg).

Looney as the OC and Sage for the QB's would be my homerun pick. He turned McCarney's up the middle, punt offense into a nine win offense. Plus he has NFL experience.

 

[Stormin]

Looney as the OC and Sage for the QB's would be my homerun pick. He turned McCarney's up the middle, punt offense into a nine win offense. Plus he has NFL experience.

Yep. But keep in mind we had a 9 win season in the old Big 12 and did not have a victory over a Top 25 team that year. Hate to be a Debbie Downer but we played a pretty weak schedule.

 

[Mowilly]

Looney as the OC and Sage for the QB's would be my homerun pick. He turned McCarney's up the middle, punt offense into a nine win offense. Plus he has NFL experience.

I posted in another thread and I will put it here as well. I think this guy is a great coach and a better fit. Connections to ISU in the past (successful years w/ Mac), connections to Coaches Loney and Bruce as well.

possible name could also be Todd Fitch (was on Mac's staff). He is one of Steve Loney's guys, he is a QB coach by trade (wr coach at BC for now) and was the OC/ QB Coach for Skip Holtz at ECU and South Florida. He understands ISU, recruiting Florida, teaches QB well and even knows some of our personnel as he recruited against us for a lot of kids.

Not saying he is the best guy but I do trust him

http://www.bceagles.com/sports/m-foo...ch_843396.html

 

[Stormin]

I posted in another thread and I will put it here as well. I think this guy is a great coach and a better fit. Connections to ISU in the past (successful years w/ Mac), connections to Coaches Loney and Bruce as well.

possible name could also be Todd Fitch (was on Mac's staff). He is one of Steve Loney's guys, he is a QB coach by trade (wr coach at BC for now) and was the OC/ QB Coach for Skip Holtz at ECU and South Florida. He understands ISU, recruiting Florida, teaches QB well and even knows some of our personnel as he recruited against us for a lot of kids.

Not saying he is the best guy but I do trust him

http://www.bceagles.com/sports/m-foo...ch_843396.html

Don't really understand the "I do trust him" comment. What do you mean by that?

 

[Wally86]

Anyone else see Brent Pease, OC at Florida was let go. Seems like a decent option. Definitely for recruiting.

why would we want someone that can't succeed with Florida Talent

 

[Luth4Cy]

Yep. But keep in mind we had a 9 win season in the old Big 12 and did not have a victory over a Top 25 team that year. Hate to be a Debbie Downer but we played a pretty weak schedule.

Don't say that. One of the McCarney worshipers will attack you by re-posting "He won 9 games" over and over again.

 

[Goldfinger]

Bob Stitt for OC, #stitthappens

Bob Stitt's offense: A college football gold mine

 

[Cydkar]

I am really liking a Sage Rosenfels hire. Would be a great idea. No coaching experience, but heck it worked with Hoiberg.

Fred is an outlier. I'd be tickled if Fred's name was never again uttered when talking about these new football hires.

 

[Mowilly]

Don't really understand the "I do trust him" comment. What do you mean by that?

Trust when discussing Coach Fitch is more complex.
ISU is a special place to him- he was diagnosed and defeated cancer here- his family was touched by the community here. Ultimately, the coaching change and the chance to connect w/ his friend Skip Holtz was too good to pass up.

He would be a good steward of our resources and not leave at the first whim.
He would not string along multiple QB's as he understands the mental approach to the game
I trust him as a play caller using multiple sets out of spread

I thought Brett Meyer was a better player when playing for him- he has also coached offenses that produced NFL RB's and he was not at "blueblood" schools. This means he was able to scheme using OL's like ours and talent like ours and make a successful plan.

I trust him as a leader of young men- he is not a jerk

There are many coaches like him- he is not the be all -end all. I am not even sure if he is in the mix- he may be happy at BC. I would call him

 

[ISUFan22]

Now I like Sage and all but people were killing Messingham for getting this job without much (decent) experience. And now some people want to give the OC reins to someone who has never coached a down of football? This is way too important of a hire to hope it works out.

That said, no reason he couldn't be brought in as a QB coach. That makes MUCH more sense than the OC.

This.

Hoiberg is a complete anomaly (in more ways that just coaching) - I'd love to see Sage on the staff but not as OC.

 

[CyCloned]

I think CPR has someone in mind already and has contacted them. There was no point in announcing the changes in the staff if he had no idea who he was bringing in. He need to get someone in the position and get them working on fixing any recruiting damage that will come from the changes.

This is big business and you know that CPR made the decision on the coaching changes 2 months ago and was just a nice guy for letting the season end. He did not wake up Sunday morning and suddenly realize that the offense sucks and he should make a change. He will be announcing the new OC very soon, and it will be someone he identified in the middle of this horrible season. Whomever he hires will most likely be coming from another program, that may be getting a bowl invitation or is just finishing the season.

Whoever he hires, I hope they will bring back the I formation for short yardage situations. Nothing made me madder than going for 3rd and 1 from the shotgun.

 

[aauummm]

I think CPR has someone in mind already and has contacted them. There was no point in announcing the changes in the staff if he had no idea who he was bringing in. He need to get someone in the position and get them working on fixing any recruiting damage that will come from the changes.

This is big business and you know that CPR made the decision on the coaching changes 2 months ago and was just a nice guy for letting the season end. He did not wake up Sunday morning and suddenly realize that the offense sucks and he should make a change. He will be announcing the new OC very soon, and it will be someone he identified in the middle of this horrible season. Whomever he hires will most likely be coming from another program, that may be getting a bowl invitation or is just finishing the season.

Whoever he hires, I hope they will bring back the I formation for short yardage situations. Nothing made me madder than going for 3rd and 1 from the shotgun.

I agree, I'm sure that the whole situation has been discussed between Rhoads, Messingham and Jamie maybe since the beginning of the season or even further back. The coaching fraternity is very close and I'm sure that there have been feelers put out about possible replacements a long time ago. This is big business and decisions are not made on spur of the moment and there is a lot of input from a lot of sources ( not internet messages boards).

 

[cyclonez7]

Ken O'Keefe

 

[Stormin]

Trust when discussing Coach Fitch is more complex.
ISU is a special place to him- he was diagnosed and defeated cancer here- his family was touched by the community here. Ultimately, the coaching change and the chance to connect w/ his friend Skip Holtz was too good to pass up.

He would be a good steward of our resources and not leave at the first whim.
He would not string along multiple QB's as he understands the mental approach to the game
I trust him as a play caller using multiple sets out of spread

I thought Brett Meyer was a better player when playing for him- he has also coached offenses that produced NFL RB's and he was not at "blueblood" schools. This means he was able to scheme using OL's like ours and talent like ours and make a successful plan.

I trust him as a leader of young men- he is not a jerk

There are many coaches like him- he is not the be all -end all. I am not even sure if he is in the mix- he may be happy at BC. I would call him

Points well taken. Just not sure he is what we need for the OC job IMO. QB coach is another matter.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I don't see many people advocating for Sage as OC. Most people discussing him are advocating he come in as QB coach with an experienced OC.

Doesn't matter. CPR can't afford to have ANY position coach learn on the job.


I'm gonna go on a rant here.
WAY too many people on this board and in the Cyclone fan base in general would rather have the fairy tale and be nice guys than actually get the best coaches available. Sage needs to coach somewhere, anywhere, before he should get a shot at ISU. Same thing with people who want to bring Loney back. Yes he had success here, but it was over a decade ago. Football is light years different now.

CPR gave Messingham a shot because he trusted him, and it didn't work out. That's ok. CPR has to make the best hire possible, regardless of ties to ISU or sentimental value. His job depends on it. He also has to bring in another proven assistant whether it's QBs or RBs. That guy has to have experience coaching his position and as a recruiter.

 

[cyclone13]

Doesn't matter. CPR can't afford to have ANY position coach learn on the job.


I'm gonna go on a rant here.
WAY too many people on this board and in the Cyclone fan base in general would rather have the fairy tale and be nice guys than actually get the best coaches available. Sage needs to coach somewhere, anywhere, before he should get a shot at ISU. Same thing with people who want to bring Loney back. Yes he had success here, but it was over a decade ago. Football is light years different now.

CPR gave Messingham a shot because he trusted him, and it didn't work out. That's ok. CPR has to make the best hire possible, regardless of ties to ISU or sentimental value. His job depends on it. He also has to bring in another proven assistant whether it's QBs or RBs. That guy has to have experience coaching his position and as a recruiter.

There has to be the element of trust, but trust itself shouldn't cloud the ability. In real life, we can see people getting hired, promoted, etc because of the grey area called "good fit" or "culture fit". While it's not unimportant, this will make or break CPR's future.

 

[cyclones4lyfe]

Has anyone thrown out Kurt Ropers name??? I was really hoping he would be mentioned. I really like the idea of having Sage as a QB coach for two reasons, 1 because I think its obvious he understands the QB position and 2 you gotta think with connections like him he could recruit rather well. When the smoke has cleared we better not go in house again, you gotta get an exciting hire especially coming off of a 3 win season.