***Official 2019-2020 Transfer Thread***
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Legends grow bigger as the year's go by. Tyrus like Dedric are guys we never remember missing because they made so many in the clutch.
To be competitive we need guys with the desire to become the next legend. Harris may be that guy otherwise our best hope may be an incoming freshman.
To be competitive we need guys with the desire to become the next legend. Harris may be that guy otherwise our best hope may be an incoming freshman.
What you described is a great thing! The objective even. A guard is on a 6’7” wing? He doesn’t need a great handle, he needs to use his body like Kane did or pass to the guard now defended by a forward! This is exactly why Johnson doesn’t need to be as good of pg to have a huge impact.
No, his game is not more like Tre than NWB or a Georges. Do you mean impact? I’d disagree there too, but less so.
I think we need to not focus on there being 1 PG next year rather having 3-4 players who can each initiate the offense. There isn't a Monte on the roster or available to assume that type of role.(honestly there aren't many Monte type PG in college regardless. ISU fans were spoiled for 4 years)
I wouldn't feel comfortable with Johnson was initiating every the Off every possession, but if he does it 1/4 the time it could work well and cause mismatches.
Same with having Bolton run the offense, not totally comfortable with being the primary PG but he can initiate 1/3 of the time and be effective.
I wouldn't feel comfortable with Johnson was initiating every the Off every possession, but if he does it 1/4 the time it could work well and cause mismatches.
Same with having Bolton run the offense, not totally comfortable with being the primary PG but he can initiate 1/3 of the time and be effective.
This year...
Had a plenty distributed PG spot.
Compared that with Monté's senior year...
We are probably going to see something like the former, not the latter.
Rank the two years together, and I think the difference is obvious...
217 = 2017 Morris
140 = 2019 Weiler-Babb
125 = 2019 Haliburton
93 = 2017 Mitrou-Long
82 = 2019 Horton-Tucker
67 = 2019 Shayok
62 = 2017 Burton
58 = 2017 Thomas
53 = 2019 Wigginton
The upside to this is great and would really challenge defenses.
But It’s less about there not being 1 pg, that’s the pipe dream, it’s that the 1-4 guys you’re referencing haven't demonstrated they’re even part time Big 12 level pgs or initiate guys imo. Plus, the possession-by-possession pg, find/create the mismatch takes tactical nuance we haven’t typically had under Prohm (outside the Hoiball guys). That is generally a product of a mature, experienced team imo.
I feel it will workout better than it appears, but the appearance is murky. But who knows, one of these novice pgs could flourish given the opportunity and some patience, alongside more help than was available last year.
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I appreciate you guys all discussing the offense and "who plays PG" and if that is even a relevant question, but I don't think we'll ultimately have trouble scoring.
Everybody moaned about our "bad offense" and "bad shooting" last year, but it was still #3 in the B12 in adjusted efficiency before Tyrese ended his career.
We really should be asking something more like, "Can we forge something a little more effective on defense and the boards than a middle school girls' team?"
I know the former is more fun to talk about and easier to conceptualize, but we should be asking way more "who can this guy defend in the B12" and "can this guy rebound in the B12 or against peer opponents" than trying to figure out if they fit into the offense. Next year depends on our defense not completely sucking this time, not our O.
This is why guys like Draymond and Rodman were so important to the Warriors, Pistons, and Bulls at their peak. Defense is by definition 50% of the game, but it gets about 10% of the attention. We could really use some guys like that over scorers right now.
Everybody moaned about our "bad offense" and "bad shooting" last year, but it was still #3 in the B12 in adjusted efficiency before Tyrese ended his career.
We really should be asking something more like, "Can we forge something a little more effective on defense and the boards than a middle school girls' team?"
I know the former is more fun to talk about and easier to conceptualize, but we should be asking way more "who can this guy defend in the B12" and "can this guy rebound in the B12 or against peer opponents" than trying to figure out if they fit into the offense. Next year depends on our defense not completely sucking this time, not our O.
This is why guys like Draymond and Rodman were so important to the Warriors, Pistons, and Bulls at their peak. Defense is by definition 50% of the game, but it gets about 10% of the attention. We could really use some guys like that over scorers right now.
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Welcome to the board. It’s been talked about in many threads about next year’s roster.
With this program the answer is no until proven otherwise imo. We’ve been an offense first program for at least a decade.
We should recruit for it more, and have somewhat.
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If we had three future pros initiating the offense like we did in 2018-19 that would be ideal. Hopeful we have something like that on this roster.
I am well aware that most fans of any sport just watch the ball and therefore talk about scoring. It is the simplest and easiest thing to do. We rarely talk about line play with football, and we rarely talk about guys who do not score very much but play good defense, always end up in the right spot at the right time, switch and help intelligently, set quality and then sometimes those edge-of-legal screens, and box out well in basketball.
We all know this and acknowledge it but... we keep coming back to offense.
I am going to be way more curious if Johnson, the three freshman guards/wings, and Foster (a second shot-blocker) are going to provide enough athleticism and size to upgrade our defense significantly. That comes with hoping that several guys in their first year in the B12 are going to be good defenders at this level... oh my that is quite the leap... but it is where we are. We need these things way more than we need JCL or Foreman to be a marginal upgrade in shooting from Jacobson and Nixon, if you have to choose.
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CycloneErik
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he’s a top transfer who could end up in the big 12 or affect the recruitment of other transfers, so I figured people might be interested to know
With a lot of teams playing small ball they have 6'4'-6-6" guys playing wing who can easily match up again Javon and they are used to guarding in space. So the majority of teams won't need to guard Johnson with a 6'1" guard or 6'8" post.
Also DeAndre Kane had a man's body- he was 6'4" and over 200lbs. Maybe Johnson has put on some weight since Troy, but he is listed on ISU's website at 6'6" and 195lbs. I don't think he will be using his body like a Kane, Ejim or Hogue.
Maybe Johnson has changed his body & game, but his Troy tape isn't that of a physical player. He is a tall jump shooter. During his last year at Troy over half his shots were from 3 and he got to the line on average less than 1.66x per game. That's less than Prentice Nixon got to the line at ISU last year in similar minutes.
I don't get how tech is still recruiting all these players. They are currently one over the scholarship limit.
