Iowa State Uniform Discussions (update: new basketball unis)

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Everybody is going plain or boring because they're leaving room for sponsor patches that are inevitably coming this year or next. Have to leave some real estate for that big annoying patch...
Funny but some truth.

Still, there is no excuse for the cookie-cutter current Nike approach to uniforms, other than cost savings for them. And I'm really not sure that is a good excuse. Teams could afford a bump in the price of unis, if it came to that, the B1G and SEC teams certainly.
 
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Funny but some truth.

Still, there is no excuse for the cookie-cutter current Nike approach to uniforms, other than cost savings for them. And I'm really not sure that is a good excuse. Teams could afford a bump in the price of unis, if it came to that, the B1G and SEC teams certainly.
Curious becasue I have no clue how the design process works. How would the “design” aspect save them money? I get it if it’s material change ect but we have many in here, including yourself, that mocked up different designs using basic software. It’s just odd that nearly every single new uniform across the country has the same design.
 

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Curious becasue I have no clue how the design process works. How would the “design” aspect save them money? I get it if it’s material change ect but we have many in here, including yourself, that mocked up different designs using basic software. It’s just odd that nearly every single new uniform across the country has the same design.
"Fashion is cyclical"

Isn't that a thing people say? Could just be what Nike was feeling this season? Could just be what a lot of teams are feeling now? Hopefully. A lot of the costumes are still pretty gimmicky. & there's still some truly awful stuff our there.

I think it's just the current trend
 

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I'm glad we are not trying to copy the Commanders.

Goodness that looks so much better...

Colored numbers on the jersey and the pants should always match each other. Period.

Gold numbers? Great. Gold pants. No exceptions or excuses.

You can be more creative with the more common white numbers.

This is much of the reason I'm excited for our new set...

No more gold numbers on the home jersey flanked by cardinal or white pants.

White numbers on the home jersey can go with white or cardinal pants equally well.
 

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I'd like to see Cardinal helmet w/ white facemask, cardinal jersey, white pants to see how that would work.

My favorite combo with the current set is white helmet w/ cardinal facemask, cardinal jersey, white pants. White helmet w/ black facemask, black jersey and white pants is a close second for me.
 

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Curious becasue I have no clue how the design process works. How would the “design” aspect save them money? I get it if it’s material change ect but we have many in here, including yourself, that mocked up different designs using basic software. It’s just odd that nearly every single new uniform across the country has the same design.
Just guessing here: I would imagine it's the simplicity of having one main computer CAD template (or whatever ?) for the sewing process. Easier and cheaper to run more uniforms thru. Use the same stitching in the neck, body, shoulder, pants, etc.

They would certainly have more than one template, but limiting the number would be more efficient, though less pleasing for the end product.
 

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Just guessing here: I would imagine it's the simplicity of having one main computer CAD template (or whatever ?) for the sewing process. Easier and cheaper to run more uniforms thru. Use the same stitching in the neck, body, shoulder, pants, etc.

They would certainly have more than one template, but limiting the number would be more efficient, though less pleasing for the end product.
The "chassis" can have an impact on the aesthetic, but most designs aren't going to run up against that. The stripes, numbers, names, wordmarks, etc. are mostly screen-print or heat-transfer & a ton of that is done locally (remember how we first found out about the '18 uniforms?)

Nike usually has two chassis in rotation (three last year as Colorado was still running the jerseys with the Flywire collar) plus much older chassis (like the ones we still wear for practice)

Again, I doubt any of these new uniform designs are due to cost-savings (at least not on Nike's end; maybe the schools are toning things down to save money) - I would assume the design process of Oregon's uniform aesthetic costs little more than ours - I think this is just the current hot fashion trend in CFB & I hope it's here to stay...
 

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The "chassis" can have an impact on the aesthetic, but most designs aren't going to run up against that. The stripes, numbers, names, wordmarks, etc. are mostly screen-print or heat-transfer & a ton of that is done locally (remember how we first found out about the '18 uniforms?)

Nike usually has two chassis in rotation (three last year as Colorado was still running the jerseys with the Flywire collar) plus much older chassis (like the ones we still wear for practice)

Again, I doubt any of these new uniform designs are due to cost-savings (at least not on Nike's end; maybe the schools are toning things down to save money) - I would assume the design process of Oregon's uniform aesthetic costs little more than ours - I think this is just the current hot fashion trend in CFB & I hope it's here to stay...
Makes sense. Thx for reminding me of all the non-stitching they do now (screen-print, heat-transfer).
 

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No shoulder or pants stripes for Virginia Tech. I'm usually in the "classic" camp in regards to uniforms but I can admit these are pretty boring.


Wow, a few years ago, when I didn't know what I was doing (still don't but), I played around with two different colors on the jersey numbers. Looks like Va Tech actually did it.
Yep those look great. Cool numbers!
The more I look at the VA Tech unis, the more I think I like 'em. In addition to the multi colored numbers, they have a stripe on their white helmet, but no stripe on the red one. Who says there has to be one on the red helmet? Things don't have to be perfectly uniform (no pun intended).

In some of my mocks with our unis, a stripe on the white helmet and/or pant looks very good. I cannot say that a stripe on our cardinal helmet or pant looks quite as good. It's not bad, but it drastically changes the look.
 

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The "chassis" can have an impact on the aesthetic, but most designs aren't going to run up against that. The stripes, numbers, names, wordmarks, etc. are mostly screen-print or heat-transfer & a ton of that is done locally (remember how we first found out about the '18 uniforms?)

Nike usually has two chassis in rotation (three last year as Colorado was still running the jerseys with the Flywire collar) plus much older chassis (like the ones we still wear for practice)

Again, I doubt any of these new uniform designs are due to cost-savings (at least not on Nike's end; maybe the schools are toning things down to save money) - I would assume the design process of Oregon's uniform aesthetic costs little more than ours - I think this is just the current hot fashion trend in CFB & I hope it's here to stay...
@1238576073jb - Thanks for the insight! A few thoughts in reply:
  • It was odd to me that Colorado was (is?) still on the Flywire collar - that's a very old template at this point.
  • I am confused how this new "rollout" of uniforms would not be cost savings. It has to be right? Pumping out the same 4 "new" templates for dozens of teams across college football has to be saving something in the manufacturing process.
  • Compare that to our last set - the arm/shoulder banding (heat-transfer?) clearly was "custom" - we're the only jerseys in CFB that had that. Our numbers too were completely custom. The collar too was a 2-tone design, also not common across other CFB jerseys with a similar template.
  • Not putting stripes on pants and helmets - this too has to be a "savings" right? Much easier/quicker to pump out plain/solid color pants (and replacements). For the equipment staff, they literally save a significant amount of time by not having to put stripe stickers on the helmets each week.
  • Which part of our uniforms - the last iteration and this new current iteration - are "screen-print" or "heat-transfer" (outside of the shoulder designs)? I did not think our jersey numbers or names were either. I know the pant logo and JT patch are added locally.
 

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Colored numbers on the jersey and the pants should always match each other. Period.

Gold numbers? Great. Gold pants. No exceptions or excuses.

You can be more creative with the more common white numbers.


This is much of the reason I'm excited for our new set...

No more gold numbers on the home jersey flanked by cardinal or white pants.

White numbers on the home jersey can go with white or cardinal pants equally well.
I'll bet there are teams with white numbers and gold pants (or similar). I didn't know how strongly (you have reminded me here) you felt about pairing gold pants with gold numbers, etc.

I will make some cardinal jerseys with gold numbers and white trim, to pair with gold pants. That would look great. I will include our current gold and some darker shades.

Really, when you think about it, it would not be too much to have two cardinal jerseys, one with white numbers, and one with gold numbers. More expensive, yes, but doable. [I think getting a 4th helmet would be much more expensive, comparatively.]
 
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Really, when you think about it, it would not be too much to have two cardinal jerseys, one with white numbers, and one with gold numbers. More expensive, yes, but doable. [I think getting a 4th helmet would be much more expensive, comparatively.]

That would be a smart plan ... that way you have one to pair w/ white pants, the other with gold pants (now that they've returned). As far as expense, we have the white jersey/black numeral version and who knows how often we'll use that(*)

So an additional set seems like it'd be manageable budget-wise within context of all other uniform cost.

(*) Probably way more frequently than we should
 
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@1238576073jb - Thanks for the insight! A few thoughts in reply:
  • It was odd to me that Colorado was (is?) still on the Flywire collar - that's a very old template at this point.
  • I am confused how this new "rollout" of uniforms would not be cost savings. It has to be right? Pumping out the same 4 "new" templates for dozens of teams across college football has to be saving something in the manufacturing process.
  • Compare that to our last set - the arm/shoulder banding (heat-transfer?) clearly was "custom" - we're the only jerseys in CFB that had that. Our numbers too were completely custom. The collar too was a 2-tone design, also not common across other CFB jerseys with a similar template.
  • Not putting stripes on pants and helmets - this too has to be a "savings" right? Much easier/quicker to pump out plain/solid color pants (and replacements). For the equipment staff, they literally save a significant amount of time by not having to put stripe stickers on the helmets each week.
  • Which part of our uniforms - the last iteration and this new current iteration - are "screen-print" or "heat-transfer" (outside of the shoulder designs)? I did not think our jersey numbers or names were either. I know the pant logo and JT patch are added locally.
All great questions

I'm no expert - I have a general knowledge of manufacturing processes - I can only hypothesize, but here are some thoughts

1. Yeah, Colorado's jerseys are OLD; at this point I can't even remember the name of that template - if you look closely, all the old elements (black, white with black numbers & gray) were all Flywire, but the white jersey with GOLD numbers was the current template - anyway, they'll be all brand new this year & that chrome gold helmet that was leaked is ghastly (Deion should not be involved in the design process, but most assuredly is)

2. The jersey chassis (meaning the fabric & assembling it) is all the same process - you're just changing out fabric colors - not much savings to be had there except maybe going with home & road & not a bunch of alternates, but we're still seeing a lot of BFBS, GFGS, etc. - if teams want to save money, they should be cutting the number of alternate uniforms

3. 99% of the stuff you see on jerseys is screen-print or heat-transfer - again, all you're doing is swapping out colors & probably some tooling & reprograming the machine to do the printing (like our "stripes" on last year's jerseys) - all that stuff that has to be done, regardless of design - again, if teams want to save money here, they could go with no stripes, etc. - the real cost is in man hours swapping out colors, dies, reprogramming machines, etc. - names/numbers are the same, they're just heat-transfer & most of those are done locally - for ISU, the tooling (die) already exists for our numbers & those wear out & have to be replaced anyway, so not a lot of savings to be had there - I'm really not sure about the two-tone collar on the (now old) white jerseys, I've never seen them up close, but again, I think it's just a fabric swap (or maybe a two-tone dye which would probably cost more, but a drop in the total cost of a jersey)

4. I truly believe no stripes on pants is just the current fashion, I don't think it has anything to do with cost savings - honestly, I believe solid pants, no stripes, makes it easier to mix & match with other elements (see Uniwatch today about matching stripes) - helmets get refurbished every week, applying stripes down the center of the helmet would be the easiest thing the equipment staff does that week & stickers are cheap (you hear that JP! get us a Cy sticker for our helmets!!!) (also, the hoks equipment staff really need to start cutting the stripe on the Speedflex flex panel, so gross leaving it attached)

5. UCLA-stripes are probably the only stripes that are done with fabric rather than screen-print, although I'm sure some teams have them printed to save, but none that I've seen (at least with Nike) - pretty much everything on a college football jersey is screen-printed or heat-transfer - the numbers are made to look like they are stitched on, but they are not

Bonus if you've read this far - if I had to guess, our jerseys may be more expensive this year (not including inflation) - I believe the "IOWA STATE" wordmark IS stitched on (b/c of it's size, if you did heat-transfer, they would constantly be getting peeled off) - that stitching would be done during jersey manufacturing by Nike & that would be an added process that we didn't have last year

One cost-saving measure from last year was our JT uniforms - although those were produced using the new Nike template, almost assuredly, we opted for a less technical "cheaper" fabric & other materials

There are certainly ways to save money on uniforms, but I'm guessing the most effective way of doing that is to cut the number of alternative uniforms &/or negotiate a better contract with your uniform supplier - I am 99.9% sure the new design trends we've seen this year have nothing to do with cost-savings
 

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This is a videogame and perhaps no indicator for what it will look like in reality but the way the shoulder stripes are arranged and the size it now looks like a big white block on the shoulder.
After years of asking for more white accents I am now going to say there is too much white on the jersey lol. Shoulder stripes need work imo.
Anyways I'm just a complainer, we'll see.
 

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That would be a smart plan ... that way you have one to pair w/ white pants, the other with gold pants (now that they've returned). As far as expense, we have the white jersey/black numeral version and who knows how often we'll use that(*)

So an additional set seems like it'd be manageable budget-wise within context of all other uniform cost.

(*) Probably way more frequently than we should
I know you don't care for the black, especially, and largely in lieu of our team colors. So I will post his head scratcher to you.

Remember a couple of years ago when we first broke out the w/b/w monochromatic look? Sure, I can see them easily (enough) switching out the decals, bumpers and logo on the white helmet. I still, to this day, am not sure how they took off the cardinal & gold I-State logo and the red swoosh from the pant, replacing it with mono-black. I thought those were stitched on. So did they buy all new sets of mono-black white pants just for that one game?

We might have used those mono white pants 2x, I don't know, that year. What do you think happened there? Did they buy a new set of white pants, or did they somehow switch the logo and swoosh?

Of course they did it a time or two the next year or two also. Maybe they felt justified in buying the second set of white pants?
 

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This is a videogame and perhaps no indicator for what it will look like in reality but the way the shoulder stripes are arranged and the size it now looks like a big white block on the shoulder.
After years of asking for more white accents I am now going to say there is too much white on the jersey lol. Shoulder stripes need work imo.
Anyways I'm just a complainer, we'll see.

The white & gold really do wash out

Should have done something like this - also gold numbers with white outline FTW - pass on the pants stripes

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